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I'm not totally convinced with the portkey thing because dumbledore and co. aren't really military generals thinking about stuff like that. maybe that's what RJ would do if he was in charge, but I imagine dumbledore be more interested in "guarding" the children and think of that and that only. add that everyone is probably panicking, even if he'll be one of the few people who'll remain really calm, its hard to think under pressure. Also, dumbledore would have to calm not only the students but also the teachers - a trained military force suddenly attacking them is not exactly something that they teach in hogwarts to prepare for.
Their armaments (energy weapons especially) will, however.
Once Hogwarts is raised to the ground in a single volley from the 24 walkers all around it, and the 400 odd ground based troops with all thier armaments, the Clones mission is done.
Vader sensing his murderous intent and force crushing his thorax in a split second...? The thousands of beam blasts ripping through the whole of the non clone area making unlikely in the extreme that invisible or not, he survives that levelof crossfire.
And risking blowing up bits of Hogwarts defeats his own objective.
The theory that he would assume more of a protective role holds more water.
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No, they wouldnt be able to cross the age line. And there is no defense against a teacher going invisible, nor is there one for the portkeys I mentioned earlier.
You see, what we have here is a buncha guys who see Clone troopers armed to the teeth, machines of war, and they appear unbeatable. the Clone supporters here cannot imagine how a buncha wizards (Just a buncha scared teenagers, as they like to say) can take on and destroy the Clones. What is being ignored is the extent of wizard magic, all the spells a wizard can cast.
No matter what scenario you throw out here, no matter how valid and accurate it is, no matter how unbeatable it is, it will be rejected because the Clones are "Bred for war" and have AT AT's. No matter that the wizards have two hours prep time, that doesn't matter, there is NOTHING they can do here except die
Apparently laser blasts can destroy portkeys.
Apparently the Clones will see Dumbledore under the invisiblity cloak.
Apparently Clones are so fast they can sense where a wizard will apparate (The Clones have been given precog in this thread :yes and blast the wizard before the wizard can cast a spell. Even though apparating is instantaneous and casting a spell takes less than a second. Clones can see the wizard, bring their weapons to bear, and shoot the wizard down, all in less than a second. Just cuz.
Apparently Clone trooper (The black body glove in particular) can block all spells, including the death spell. Just because, you know?
Apparently Anakin will be able to take on all the Death Eaters, Dumbledore, Voldemort all lyng around throwing death spells. Just because he's a Jedi, you know? Just cuz.
All this with nothing to back it, no evidence whatsoever. Just cuz, you know?
So no matter what you throw out there, it will be ignored. Even when you provide movie scenes and wiki links that verify/explain/elaborate on the scene to back it.
Prediction: I will be called a crybaby, a HP fanboy, and God knows what else for this. All because I presented flawless and unbeatable ways for the wizards to win. I have more, trust me, I haven't even cracked the tip of the iceberg, but it's a wasted effort, that's why I stopped posting them.
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*points to my argument*
Rj, have any response to mine? I just wanna see if other than the age line and the portkey, if you have any other tactic for the wizards to use in my scenario.
you might just convince me if you point something new out. ^^
I have a few, I'll post them later, I gotta get some shuteye.
As for your post, Dumbledore is a veteran wizard, he wont crack under the pressure. He would be "guarding" the children by producing portkeys to eliminate the clones, or making an age line to keep the clones from advancing. Both of these tactics keep the clones from getting close enough to Hogwarts to do any damage. Thats pretty protective, dont you think? He has two hours, he has death eaters, Voldy, and several other well trained wizards to do this with.
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sure.
oh, and I don't think the clones would underestimate the wizards - i mean, they're WIZARDS for pete's sake.
I understand that there is almost no limit to magic, but if you take them by surprise and sheer panic, the wizards could be doomed. and that's they have going for the clones. panic and... well, panic. and the fact that there are A LOT of kids involved that they'd be anxious to protect first.
but if they had, say, like 6 hours prep time, heck, they could set up an age line and a portkey heaven and I'd back you up on it.
I want a simple attack - something basic that would come to you in a flash and you could get ready for in 2 hours... or an hour-and-a-half (they have to think about it too)....
They dont need six hours, two hours is more than enough.
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I'm not going to call you a HP fanboy to end all fanboys but you do stretch the limits a bit. Portkeys or none it wont matter. it's at Hogwartz. The 501st could just blow hogwartz up and then figh ton hits rumbled remains there are so man ocunter scenarios for what you are goign to try to claim that teh severly out numbered wizards will do to win.
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"At" Hogwarts....you mean the 501st are dropped literally on the grounds? The wizards can look out their wondows and the 501st is like right there?
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If they're being lifted in that means they get their ships. Which means its just spite. I think it's up to the OP but honestly just saying no matter how u spin it Hogwartz wont win. The sad thing is I dont mind Harry Potter, but die hard fans of it will claim they win no matter what like they can go super sajian and then devour a universe like galactus or some shit. It gets rediculous at times when people just dont pay attention to simple logic espicallyw hen they are severley restricted to Movie Feats which only go up to OOTP. Since Half blood prince isnt even out. And if we were to use books and material it would even gimp the wizards more. Bc for every cool thing they dont get in movies theres a zillion other things the star wars universe gets. Ya know?
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If they're dropped they're going ot be air lifted. espeically since its off movie feats. SO you kind of just need to use logic and add 1 and 1 to gether. Weather or not they get to watch the ships drop bombs on them or not doesnt matter.
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The ships aren't a factor in this battle, just the Clones and their ground vehicles. Now. Are you proposing that the Clones will be dropped right on the grounds?
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Oh well if they only get ground vehicles then they will approach the hogwartz from distances and just bombard it with tank fire and rocket fire. OVERKILL either way. SNipers alone would pick off 1/4th of hogwartz.
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And this is where the portkeys come into play. The Clones will never see the portkeys. When they make contact with the portkeys they vanish, along with their vehicles.
I dont know why this is even being contested. I dont know why I even posted it again, because it will be ignored, along with the age line defense.
Two flawless ways for the wizards to win, and both are ignored.
Shall I move on to the next one?
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Wait so Hogwartz is just going to CONVEIENTLY have tehse port keys where they need to be automatically? my balls. As for the Ageline. You dont need an ageline to launch a rocket into a buliding and smash it to the ground. Yyour logic is beyond flawed
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With two hours prep time, Dumbledore has more than enough time to cast portkeys as far out as he needs to. The Clones need to get a certain distance from hogwarts to attack, their weapons have a certain range, you know.
Lets say the clones need to get 500 yards from hogwarts (Just for arguments sake) to use their blasters, and 5000 yards from hogwarts (again, just for arguments sake) to use the blasters on their AT AT's. Well, all Dumbledore needs to do is cast portkeys 5100 yards out surrounding hogwarts and the school is safe. Or cast the age line in a circle around hogwarts 5100 yards out.
Get it?
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I have more, trust me, I haven't even cracked the tip of the iceberg, but it's a wasted effort, that's why I stopped posting them.
