Fiendfyre is specifically referred to being dark magic and the fire that Dumbeldore used has absolutely no animalistic qualities at all. There is simply no way that was what Dumbeldore used.
But he wouldn't use fiendfyre? Bullshit statement.
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Fiendfyre does not have to be 100% animalistic. It often manifests as such, but not always. And it is referred to as dark because of it's users, but it is not dark in and of itself.
I never said he did not "know" anything about the Dark Arts. I said he would not use them, being that he's not a Dark wizard.
And I can sense an impending morality debate. I personally agree that using the weapon of the enemy is not an inherently evil thing to do. But Rowling's universe seems to have a dichotomy of good and evil. Killing "splits the soul" it's so evil. The Dark Arts are the embodiment of evil in Harry Potter. In such a dogmatic, narrow-minded view of the Jedi world, using such an advanced Dark (Read: Evil) spell is simply out of the question for the champion of Good. It's probably why Rowling (and the film, though I give them less credit for proper character portrayal) never stated what it was that Dumbledore used in the cave. It's why I keep saying we should wait for Part II's depiction of Fiendyre before we start judging which of the three major fire spells we've seen is actually Fiendfyre.
Cor=/=Coz.
The book states that Inferi are vulnerable to fire. Not vulnerable to Fiendyre only, just fire. It's well within Dumbledore's powers to create fire on a large scale, but that doesn't mean it's born of the Dark Arts.
I don't remember the movie even mentioning Inferi, never mind their weakness, before the cave scene. The films are mediocre, I'll give them that credit, but they can be maddeningly unhelpful sometimes.
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In that case, please list every last magic Dumbldore used and classify each as good or bad magic.
You can add a second classification to it for whether or not you think it was situationally dark or light use.
The debate was already had and over as there's nothing substantively new to the subjective vs. objective discussion that you or I could add (seriously. We'd just be rehashing the same points already made...in much more words.)
But since you did bring the dicussion back to something less philophical towards the end, there, the fire sustains itself and continued to pursue it's intended targets making this a pretty good case for the only instance fiendfyre was actually used in the films. The control dumbles had over the fire was so precise that it came with in less than an inch of Harry, but made direct contact with it's intended target, could not be put out by water, and continued to do it's job after the spellcaster finished: all attritubes of fiendfyre. The only attribute, which is not a requirement of every casting, is the sometimes animalistic appearances of the fiendfyre.
So, no, we do not need to wait for part 2: we have a perfectly defined case of fiendfyre.
Edit - Yes, I did see the strikethrough portion: so many parallels to The Force that it's rediculous.
Dude was rapid firing fire comets hundreds of feet under the water and hitting inferi center mass.
This attack in itself is more powerful than anything the Force can muster.
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Dumbledore starts his fire attack, then kicks it like this to the Clones...
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Anakin's confundus'd. He's Rain man. He's like "I'm definitely a good podracer, definitely a good podracer."
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You silly Mick, Anakin'll be too busy dancing like this:
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Legilimens places the song in his head. Bust a move, Annie!!!!
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I'm not arguing that the 501st would win, but rather that that is not feindfyre.
Where dp you get this from? We have only seen one confirmed usage of it in the Potter mythos and it was animalistic. Not to mention it is called fiendfyre which not only suggests the presence of animals, but of it's dark nature.
This is true. However, it definetly seems to be dark magic as not only did the Carrows teach it but it has enough destructive power to destroy a horcrux.
I agree. However Dumbledore seems to specifically refuse to use any dark magic. In the SS novel such a comment is made where Dumbeldore says Voldemort wields powers he will never have to which McGonagall replies, ""Only because you're too — well — noble to use them." This, along with the fact that there is never a confirmed scene of him using dark magic, clearly suggest that he refuses to use such magic.
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When Part II shows what Fiendfyre looks like, we'll know for certain. If the filmmakers decide to make a huge deal of it, and make it purple with red lightning, we'll know Dumbledore did not use it. Neither the book, nor the movie tell us what Dumbledore did. Plain and simple. If you want to jump to a conclusion without definitive evidence from Crabbe, you go right ahead.
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