Hahahahaaaaa Better to have poor taste, than no taste at all.
*Pauses and narrows his eyes at DDM for a few seconds*
Nope I still concurr. I regard it as his finest work (Excluding the Rock) I just think the rest is big, shiny, dumb garbage that entertains us on the first sitting with its big shinyness, before the incredibly dumb and irritating nature outscreams the shinyness and bigness on repeated watchings.
Good films wont do that very often at all. They stay rewatchable.
For the most part if people are a fan of the franchise they will go see the movie regardless of what they have seen or heard. Just because a movie is number one 2nd week in a row doesn't mean anything, there must be millions of fans of transformers, and guaranteed if they liked the first film they will go see the second one.
I disagree that people went to see Dark Knight because of a dead star.
People went for a couple reasons, cause of the hype of it being the 2nd movie (just like ROTF). Because they are fans of Batman / Bale / Ledger. Just because a movie is an actors final performance doesn't mean people will flock to it unless they are fans of that actor or like the movie he is in.
Titanic was ok i just didn't like the fact that the ship sank at the end , but seriously once was enough and the reason that movie did so well was a couple of reasons it appealed to a wider range of audiences, and that every 12-17 year old girl probably went to see it 10 times because of Leo and the love crap puke story.
Yes they are good....but judging by your cited film taste identifiers, you also might like the caca flavoured one made from vomit crust dough.
Taste is at times discriminating. Its not defined by what we like only, but by our standards and what we WONT accept.
And something so shallow, lame, intellectually insulting, childish (in a way where the original cartoon now looks like griity scifi by comparison, thanks tothe immaturity of the writing), off-its-own-topic and gauche as a Bay movie is, its on the bad taste list, Im afraid.
But, this is all relative to the eye of the beholder. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true. While mine was a joke, you're actually serious.
I find it tasteless to be so critical of a movie that wasn't intended to be a complex and intelligent murder mystery plot. That misses the point and borders on spite for spite's sake. Quite tasteless, in my opinion.
However, the plot in the film was good, was better than at least 70% of the films out there (better than Star Trek's, that's for sure), acting was above average, and the effects were second to none. So thinking the movie was a good movie, which is a great rating, is far from tasteless.
You say I am.
Yet I'd use the term "As serious as you cou;d be about the subject".
And everything YOU speculate at is true...? It IS a good film...etc
Do you...? So would I. But I fail to see the relevance.
It certainly doesnt apply to me.
I also find it abhorantly tasteless that people mis-pidgeonhole and over reductionise so readily, gimping the true nature of the opposing debator's viewpoint in a cheap attempt to sway any reading poster..
You know.....a little b*tch manuevre.
Its plot was mundane/quite formulaic.
So if it was superior then geee all the other plots must be seriously screeeerewwwed.
"Van Zan is the Pinocchio of feces." - Lestov16
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The Fountain. (Yes, I really liked this film. If it searches that far back, I can be found raving about it on these forums.)
Krull (As a boy, I liked it a lot...so it is an honorable mention.)
Transformers 1 and 2.
Saw (Original. Had the best story.)
All six star wars films.
Star Trek Generations, First Contact, Insurrection
Happy Gilmore and a few other Adam Sandler films.
Ace Ventura Pet detective
If you want a list of films that I gave 5 stars on netflix, here they are:
Batman Begins (2005) Top 100
Berserk (6-Disc Series) (1997)
Billy Madison (1995)
The Bourne Identity (2002)
The Bourne Supremacy (2004)
The Count of Monte Cristo (2002)
Dark City (1998)
The Dark Knight (2008)
Evangelion (1995) (Animated anime series)
Gladiator: Extended Edition (2000)
The Godfather (1972)
Happy Gilmore (1996)
Hot Rod (2007)
The Incredibles (2004)
Inside Man (2006) Top 100
Iron Man (2008) Top 100
The Island (2005)
Les Miserables (1998)
The Matrix (1999)
The Matrix: Reloaded (2003)
The Matrix: Revolutions (2003)
Minority Report (2002)
Mission: Impossible (1996)
The Notebook (2004) Top 100
The Princess Bride (1987)
Silent Hill (2006)
Star Wars: A New Hope (1977)
Star Wars: Clone Wars2004) (animated series. Loved them)
There area few anomalies in there, but they are sentimental such as the movie my wife and I saw on our first date, etc. Those movies are only rated high because of that. I think there's only 3 or 4 of those in there but they would have received 4 stars anyway.
My netflix ratings are missing several films, which why I made the manual list above, for you. As you can tell, my "tastes" are probably not too far off from yours with the exception of a few films.
It's all a matter of opinion and preferences, but transformers 2 plot better than Star Trek? Don't think so IMO.
I'm sure a lot of people find it tasteless when others love a movie just because of special effects and explosions. They also find it tasteless when people jump on the band wagon, just because the first movie was good so this one must be too even though it wasn't.
There are examples of this all the time....
Alien and Aliens great next 2 not good.
Pirates of the Caribbean great, next 2 not good.
First Contact great, next 2 not good.
Casino royal great, QOS not good.
Jurrasic Park good, next 2 not good.
Did you not like the latest incredible hulk movie??
movies that i would remove from your list cause IMO they sucked
Star Trek Generations, Insurrection
Minority Report (2002)
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Absolutely not. Which is why you find my post with such things as..
"relative to the eye of the beholder"
"I find it"
"in my opinion."
"thinking the movie was a good"
As you can tell, my post is riddled with hints at personnal perspective and not the arrogant idea that my opinion is all.
I didn't know for sure if Optimus would be revived. I didn't know for sure if Sam would live. I didn't know for sure if The Fallen would succeed.
I didn't know for sure who would say "I love you" first.
I didn't know for sure how most of the plot would play out. I knew, for sure, that Micaela would walk in on Sam...that was obvious.
However, I knew for sure Sonny would eventually get himself killed. I knew for sure that Michael would become the new Don when he planned to kill the Captain and Sollozzo. The funny thing is, I knew nothing of the Godfather before watching it, other than it was a Sicilian gangster movie that was supposed to be good.
Yet, I knew lots and lots about Transformers before watching it.
I find a movie good if I cannot guess the outcome. In almost all movies, I guess major plot points well before they become obvious. My wife tells me to STFU (in much nicer words) because I guess the plot points in films so quickly. Recently, she watched a film, told me the premise, and I guessed the remaining 1 and 30 minutes of plot, almost perfectly. (It was a chick flick called The Women.) I could tell she was a little pissed because I made a movie that she liked, seem so simple. Not being able to guess a plot for a film is a big plus for me.
Now, to be honest, I thought Sam would be the first to say "I love you", in the first half. But I didn't know what would happen there during the second half.
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Actually we are further apart than either of us imagined by the looks of it.
You listed all six starwars twice.. And on the second time said a new hope twice within that list...? WTF.
No Godfather II...?
The Godfather trilogy, Eraserhead, Robocop, The Thing, Alien, Aliens, Alien3 (directors cuts, all) ST II: The Wrath of Khan, SW, The Big Lebowski, Fargo, No country for old men, Terminator 1 nad 2, Superman I and II (Christopher Reeves versions), Falling Down, Magnolia, Pleasantville, Die Hards 1-4.0, The Lethal Weapon 1 and 2, Predator, Blade Runner, Indiana Jones Trilogy (not KOTFSCS), Back to the the future, First Blood, Batman: The movie (60s, 80s, 00s,) and Batman Returns and TDK, Gremlins, Gladiator, The Warriors, Apocalypse now (redux version), Blue Thunder, The Black Hole, Anchorman, Duel, Jaws, Blue Velvet, Nightmare on elm street 1-3, Somewhere in time, The Philidelphia Experiment, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Saving Private Ryan, Iron man, Forrest Gump, Monty Python's 'The Life of Brian', '..and the Holy Grail', The original 'Poseidon adventure'. Dune. Christine. It. Clerks. LOTR. Flash Gordon. The last Hulk they did. Hannibal Brooks. Silence of the Lambs, Manhunter, Trancers, The Stand, Salem's Lot, The Twilight Zone movie, Airplane the movie, Airplane 2: The sequel, (The first) Highlander,
The happiness of the Katikuras, a Tale of two sisters, The Shawshank redemption, Big trouble in little china, Ichi the killer, Fight Club, Akira, Visitor Q, Ringu, Juon: the Curse, Juon: The Grudge, The US Grudge 1, The Silver Streak, The Rock, The (1st) Matrix, Westworld, Dirty Harry, Donnie Darko, Frequency, The Butterfly effect, Schindlers list, The Shining and the Shawshank redemption.
Thats covers most of my favorite watches of all time, I'm sure there are a few missing.
I had to discriminate from hundreds of others that I liked, liked enthusiastically etc.
There another asian classic which is bugging the shit out of me title wise, but it was the ultimate revenge thriller in which a guy is imprisoned for like 10 years in a room, for reasons he doesnt know, but when he is released that is when his pain begins.I cant give its most indentifiable attribute, plot feature wise, cause its the biggest most epic twist I'd seen since Sixth Sense suffice it to say that it was the most hideous sickening revenge that you could take on a man, what was involved, guvnnahhhhhhh.
I'll remember it in time, im sure..
"Van Zan is the Pinocchio of feces." - Lestov16
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You should read all of the plot errors with Star Trek. I made several of those points and then some, in the Star Trek subforum. It is much worse, as far as PIS goes, than Transformers. I'm not talking about "He was holding the phaser in his right hand, it cuts to Spock, then it cuts back to Kirk and he is now holding it in his left hand." Not something like that. All films have that stupidity in them because each camera angle has a history of several takes....sometimes MANY takes.
Glad that's not my reason, then.
There's no bandwagon, here, bro. It was almost universal among the critics that the movie sucked. Yet, the actual audience loved it and kept coming back for more.
I thought Quantum of Solace was better than Casino Royale. Casino Royale was actually boring for most of the film.
Nemesis wasn't that good. It actually pissed me off. There was no reason to kill data off.
All of the films of Pirates of the Caribbean were so-so. Everyone raved about it, but I could never figure out why.
I, seriously, haven't seen any of the other alien movies. I've only seen the first one.
I enjoyed all Jurassic park films. I thought the 3rd was better than the first.
I did. I liked it a lot. But, it wasn't as good as Hulk. That's why it didn't earn five out of five stars.
You wouldn't remove The Island or The Notebook or Funny Games?
I don't think an animated film would have the same buzz-talk as a live-action film since it's bringing transformers into a level of realism. An animated would fall under the radar just like Batman: Mask of the Phantasm did so many years ago, I think at least. However, an animated film with visuals like the episode "Call to the Primitives" would be so sweet. Think that's what it was called, all the bots had an extra sci-fi look with ultra Japanese pointy antennas haha.
I will have to check out the subforum with Star Trek.
I guess with all the movies again it comes down to matter of opinion.
I thought the latest incredible hulk was 10 times better than HULK, Nick Nolte makes my skin crawl.
You haven't seen ALIENS?????? OMG you don't know what you are missing, just be sure to get the directors cut, it is way better iwth added footage that ads to the suspense.
I actually really enjoyed The Island, but never saw the other 2.
It earned a four out of five stars. And, wow, that's a shame. I could have sworn we had about a 60% overlap in movie tastes.
I formatted it to make it easier to read.
My netflix thingie is only of movies that I have come across and rated. There are plenty of missing films from my list and some of them show up in your list.
Here are films, from your list, that I would add to my list:
Mos def Donnie Darko . One of my favs as a young teen.
DEFINITELY Silence of the Lambs. I also really liked Red Dragon. Like, a lot. One of my top 20 films, at least.
No Country for Old Men would have gotten 5 stars had they not decided to abruptly end the film. It was wonderful up to the point where Llewlyn was killed. It was well on its way to being one of my top 20 films...and then...bam...lazy script writing.
The Butterfly Effect was also one of my top films...but it wasn't quite a five star rating. More like a 4.5.
I haven't seen The Big Lewbowski but RObtard and RJ tell me that it's awesome and I'm retarded for not having seen it.
I'll remember it in time, im sure.. [/B][/QUOTE]
You see, that sounds great, though. Looking at my list, one could conclude that I love revenge flicks. (Which I do. A well done revenge flick, like paparazzi, is awesome.)
I liked both of them, quite a bit. The 2003 one was better.
I have seen Aliens. Not the other films, though.
And, Ridley Scott said that the extended version was not his vision and the theatrical release was his true vision of Aliens.
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I was talking about the extended edition of ALIENS, not ALIEN, but that is ok. I just saw the extened edition of ALIEN a week ago and the scenes they added in i had seen on the deleted scenes, but they weren't anything spectacular and where they added ripley seeing dallas stuck on the wall was dumb. He didn't have an alien inside of him so theoretically she could of taken him with her.
Any way back to Transformers animated, they could make an R rated version like some japanmation, i just mean with violence not nudity.