Na, you've still got the boyhood 'ninja pwn all' fantasy in your blood, admit it.
Missed it.
History states they were mostly spies and intel gatherers, for a price of course.
Not always the case, in times of long peace, [lower] Samurai were let go, as there was no need to feed, board and pay them when there wasn't an enemy to fight or that much protection was needed. So those Samurai being skilled men, turned to other work until they could find themselves another Lord to work under.
Yeah, it does. There's a reason why guns are the staple of a modern military and swords aren't. (They're better)
Not going to look up, besides, who says YOU make the scenario.
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apparently not, considering theyre only affective when theyre hiding in the shadows. theyd got slaughtered in open warfare so its not really fair to say "every" way possible.
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Not going to bother looking up what I read, watched about years ago. Don't care that much to prove my point.
That would be silly, as pirates just didn't use flintlock pistols. They had flintlock pistols, rifles; the blunderbus (grandfather of the shotgun), rapiers, cutlass, cleaver, various throwing and fighting knifes, clubs, boarding axe, explosives like the grenado (archaic grenade) and other makeshifts of the type.
I was going on a neutral standpoint. Like a face off.
No, they're not really. Pirates were murderers, thieves and soldiers and they often clashed with the military powers of the day and won.
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I saw this show where they got a real ninjistu master, and he actually successfully pulled off an instant death blow technique from those stories (on a dummy, of course).
But then again, in this scenario the pirates have a ship with cannons, plus stuff such as pistols, muskets, blunderbusses, etc.
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Well, in that case:
The ninjas successfully fought off Portuguese pirates, without a problem. They had no losses. They waited for the pirates to dock, then they sabotaged their ships when they were sleeping, and they killed all of the leaders. They even poisened the food that the pirates crews ate, almost completely wiping them out.
Note: They waited for them to dock. This is real world, so that's how they would do it. None of this sea battle shite.
Irrelevant if they're dead and therefore unable to use them, now isn't it?
Right. The same militaries that fired a volley..waited to be shot at...fired a volley, waited to be shot at, etc. Sign me up for pirating! ARRRRGH!
Sign me up for the Navy's that also did the following:
"I say, there good sir. You wouldn't happen to be pirates, would you?"
"Nope. We be employees of a rich merchant. ARRRRRR!"
"Alright then. I'll have a go at this fine brandy. Good day to you."
*explosions, boarding, and pillaging ensues*
You know what's funny? That's fairly close to real world. Pirates would parade a flag of another nation to hide their piraty goodness. That was just one of the many tactics they used at sea. This lead to British ships questioning many of the occupants of other ships.
I highly doubt that pirates actually sought out battles with professional British ships.
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I guess that if a pirate captain with 10 ships finds a lone ship with 10 soldiers on it, then yeah sure. But unlike the movies criminals generally try to run AWAY from the authorities. The mafia didn't openly reveal themselves in public and assault military bases.
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What Robtard said:
Right. The "authorities" knew EXACTLY who the pirates were because of the huge numbers of people that escapted to divulge all information on the pirates that just slaughtered them and took the loot, right? See wut I did there?
in a one on one fight in broad daylight a pirate would win as well.
in fact. the only way a ninja can win is if the pirate(s) are not aware of the ninja's presence and the visibility of the area is low.
so that being said pirates can actually win in more scenarios as there is only one very specific situation a ninja can succeed in. thats why a i find it kind of funny that you seem to put pirates winning via surprise attack in a negative light. pirates can win by surprising ninja and can win in open warfare whereas a ninja can only win if he takes the pirate by surprise and visibility is low enough for the ninja to duck back into the shadows before a counter-attack can be made.
dont let fiction like pirates of the Caribbean fool you. most pirates were not constantly drunk embittered middle aged and old people with missing limbs. pirates were deadly fighters who were sly and very intelligent. they were more then a match for the "authorities" when the numbers were equal.
and with your "scenario" itd be like saying a submarine can destroy a tank underwater. also retarded.
such as?
why do you keep mentioning " at sea"? ive never mentioned the sea even once nor have i mentioned pirate ships.
uh... yeah. thats why were all putting them in neutral settings. pirates are very adept at fighting on land as well as the sea so in my opinion it would be fair for both sides if they were fighting on, say, a beach or in a forest or something.
you basically have a fighter that relies completely on espionage and surprise vs. a fighter that is a vicious open-warfare soldier.
so really no matter what scenario this is put in it will be unfair because pirates bumbling through the night unaware of whats going on is unfair as well as having them asleep in some cabin. at the same time a ninja would get slaughtered by a pirate in an open area.
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Guess you didn't read my entire post.
Think of something. Then that's what I mean.
Because pirates pillage and killl at seeeeaaaaa ARRRRRR!
Nah.
Be fair for them to fight at sea and then fair for them to fight at night on land, when all the pirates are asleep.
Pirates also used espionage and other intelligent tactics. Deceit was quite common. ARRRRRRR!
Everything you said above is correct...except for that last part. It would be, "slaughtered by a pirate in a boat, out at sea."
I'd think that a gun would be used by the Iga ninjas. They'd at least have some at their HQ. They were just overwhelmed by a surprise attack by a much larger force. Nothing special about that.
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Jul 23rd, 2009 09:30 PM
also retarded. 
