KMC Forums - Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath: Who was the first metal band?

Home » Misc » Music Discussion » Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath: Who was the first metal band?

Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath: Who was the first metal band?
Started by: Impediment

Forum Jump:

Pages (5): « 1 2 [3] 4 5 »

Last Thread Next Thread

Author

Thread

Alpha Centauri
Restricted

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Ground Zero.

Account Restricted

Metal is heavy metal.

It's a shortened term for the genre of heavy metal. Metal, by definition, is heavy.

-AC

__________________

Signature by Starlock.

I review comics and such here: http://welcometothemast.blogspot.com

Nov 15th, 2009 05:58 AM

Click here to Send Alpha Centauri a Private Message

It's xyz!
Restricted

Gender: Male
Location: Made you look

Account Restricted

Wait, so what the hell is Led Zeppelin, "heavy rock"?

__________________

Bulbasaur, the original... Pepe.

Last edited by Raz on Jan 1st 2000 at 00:00AM

Nov 15th, 2009 07:11 PM

Click here to Send It's xyz! a Private Message

Eaea
Junior Member

Gender:
Location:

Black Sabbath is it, Zeppelin did many things great, but defining metal wasn't really one.

Nov 30th, 2009 05:36 AM

Click here to Send Eaea a Private Message

AsbestosFlaygon
The Original One

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Hall of Origin

Led Zeppelin ISN'T even Metal.

They're hard rock... I repeat: HARD ROCK.
Very, very different.

This comparison is like,
System of a Down or KoRn: Which one is a better metal band?

System of a Down ISN'T metal.. It's a HARD ROCK band.
So why would you compare SoaD to KoRn in the first place??
Same applies with Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath.

Maybe next someone makes a thread,
Taylor Swift or Kanye West: Which one is a better rapper?

__________________

"Farewell, Damos... Ash, Pikachu... And you. All of my beloved." -- Arceus

Last edited by AsbestosFlaygon on Nov 30th, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Nov 30th, 2009 11:01 AM

Click here to Send AsbestosFlaygon a Private Message

Alpha Centauri
Restricted

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Ground Zero.

Account Restricted

System of a Down are and have always been a metal band.

If you listen to their self-titled, Toxicity, Steal This Album etc and hear hard rock (Led Zeppelin style) as opposed to metal; you need a hearing test.

-AC

__________________

Signature by Starlock.

I review comics and such here: http://welcometothemast.blogspot.com

Nov 30th, 2009 03:29 PM

AsbestosFlaygon
The Original One

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Hall of Origin

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
System of a Down are and have always been a metal band.

If you listen to their self-titled, Toxicity, Steal This Album etc and hear hard rock (Led Zeppelin style) as opposed to metal; you need a hearing test.

-AC

No, they're not.

In DVD interviews, Serj explicitly states that they are a Hard Rock band.

Just because the guitar work is similar to Metal, doesn't make it necessarily Metal..

Modern Hard Rock is generally louder and more distorted than Classic Heavy Metal.

Try listening to Lordi ~ Hard Rock Hallelujah..

In the 60's/70's, Lordi would be considered Heavy Metal..
But in contemporary music, they're just a hard rock band..

Same with SoaD.. They never were Metal.. Serj even said it himself, so there should never be any doubt.

__________________

"Farewell, Damos... Ash, Pikachu... And you. All of my beloved." -- Arceus

Dec 1st, 2009 01:31 AM

Blinky
Android First Class

Gender: Unspecified
Location: United States

This ^ is where the excessive labeling of music get us...

__________________

"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead."

Last edited by Blinky on Dec 1st, 2009 at 01:48 AM

Dec 1st, 2009 01:38 AM

Click here to Send Blinky a Private Message

AsbestosFlaygon
The Original One

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Hall of Origin

Look.

Post-Hardcore bands are even louder than Classic Heavy Metal nowadays no expression

Metal has evolved to become more distorted and louder than its predecessors.
Hard Rock also became louder.

For example, Heaven Shall Burn is louder and a lot more brutal than Metallica. No contest.

__________________

"Farewell, Damos... Ash, Pikachu... And you. All of my beloved." -- Arceus

Last edited by AsbestosFlaygon on Dec 1st, 2009 at 02:29 AM

Dec 1st, 2009 02:26 AM

Alpha Centauri
Restricted

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Ground Zero.

Account Restricted

quote: (post)
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
No, they're not.

In DVD interviews, Serj explicitly states that they are a Hard Rock band.

Just because the guitar work is similar to Metal, doesn't make it necessarily Metal..

Modern Hard Rock is generally louder and more distorted than Classic Heavy Metal.

Try listening to Lordi ~ Hard Rock Hallelujah..

In the 60's/70's, Lordi would be considered Heavy Metal..
But in contemporary music, they're just a hard rock band..

Same with SoaD.. They never were Metal.. Serj even said it himself, so there should never be any doubt.

Yes, yes they are.

Find me Serj stating that they are hard rock.

Regardless, Avril Lavigne once called herself a rock musician. She never has been.

System of a Down were one of the primary metal bands of the late '90s and early '00s.

You have no clue what you're on about.

-AC

__________________

Signature by Starlock.

I review comics and such here: http://welcometothemast.blogspot.com

Dec 1st, 2009 02:28 AM

Blinky
Android First Class

Gender: Unspecified
Location: United States

quote: (post)
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Look.

Post-Hardcore bands are even louder than Classic Heavy Metal nowadays

Metal has evolved to become more distorted and louder than its predecessors.
Hard Rock also became louder.

For example, Heaven Shall Burn is louder and a lot more brutal than Metallica. No contest.

You're making about as much sense as Charlie Brown's teacher.

__________________

"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead."

Dec 1st, 2009 02:35 AM

AsbestosFlaygon
The Original One

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Hall of Origin

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Blinky
You're making about as much sense as Charlie Brown's teacher.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know the difference between classic metal and modern metal.

Metal is indeed metal, but modern metal is louder than classic metal.

The Devil Wears Prada VS Immortal... which one is louder?
Killswitch Engage VS Dimmu Borgir... which one is louder?
Job For A Cowboy VS Black Sabbath... which one is louder?

__________________

"Farewell, Damos... Ash, Pikachu... And you. All of my beloved." -- Arceus

Dec 1st, 2009 02:42 AM

Blinky
Android First Class

Gender: Unspecified
Location: United States

quote: (post)
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know the difference between classic metal and modern metal.

Metal is indeed metal, but modern metal is louder than classic metal.

The Devil Wears Prada VS Immortal... which one is louder?
Killswitch Engage VS Dimmu Borgir... which one is louder?
Job For A Cowboy VS Black Sabbath... which one is louder?

You're so awesome. A music guru is among us.

__________________

"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead."

Dec 1st, 2009 02:54 AM

Alpha Centauri
Restricted

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Ground Zero.

Account Restricted

quote: (post)
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know the difference between classic metal and modern metal.

Metal is indeed metal, but modern metal is louder than classic metal.

The Devil Wears Prada VS Immortal... which one is louder?
Killswitch Engage VS Dimmu Borgir... which one is louder?
Job For A Cowboy VS Black Sabbath... which one is louder?

Who actually cares what's louder?

What matters is what's metal. System of a Down were always a metal band. Less so in recent years, but still very arguably a metal band.

At the very least they are alternative metal, in the way The Cure are alternative rock.

It's metal, just not as it's commonly known.

-AC

__________________

Signature by Starlock.

I review comics and such here: http://welcometothemast.blogspot.com

Dec 1st, 2009 04:53 AM

Darth Jello
Cheese Spelunker

Gender: Male
Location: Denver Metro, CO

Here's a thought. Weren't the Sonics the first metal band?

__________________
Land of the free, home of the brave...
Do you think we will ever be saved?
In this land of dreams find myself sober...
Wonder when will it'll all be over...
Living in a void when the void grows colder...
Wonder when it'll all be over?
Will you be laughing when it's over?

Dec 2nd, 2009 07:52 PM

Click here to Send Darth Jello a Private Message

yesac2015
Junior Member

Gender:
Location: United States

im not a huge fan of black sabbath idk y i like probably 3 or 4 songs i say led zeppelin is way better then sabbath and im sorry for those who say zeppelin is not metal its hard rock shut up they r basicly the same thing now if u would have sed like the killers is metal or hard rock yes i would say that isnt metal or hard rock its indie or whatever

Dec 10th, 2009 01:09 AM

Click here to Send yesac2015 a Private Message

Blinky
Android First Class

Gender: Unspecified
Location: United States

quote: (post)
Originally posted by yesac2015
im not a huge fan of black sabbath idk y i like probably 3 or 4 songs i say led zeppelin is way better then sabbath and im sorry for those who say zeppelin is not metal its hard rock shut up they r basicly the same thing now if u would have sed like the killers is metal or hard rock yes i would say that isnt metal or hard rock its indie or whatever

... very insightful...

__________________

"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead."

Dec 10th, 2009 01:21 AM

That ACDC Chick
All That Noiz

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Your mom's basement.

Black Sabbath

Dec 10th, 2009 01:22 AM

Click here to Send That ACDC Chick a Private Message

Sadako of Girth
Extreme Mode

Gender: Male
Location: McClane's Right one

I love both bands.

But as for who was metal, between them? Its definitely Sabbath.

They were first to get in the and start using the root -to-flattened 5th progression in an overt manner and evil sounding Iommi riffs and with Ozzy singing songs about horror, whereas Led Zeppelin were like a blues band with an energetic and complex firecracker up its ass, with Plant singing about getting laid and typical blues subjects with a bit of myth/legend thrown in. Zep were nowhere near as heavy as Sabbath.

The entire feel difference is obvious.

__________________

"Van Zan is the Pinocchio of feces." - Lestov16

Dec 22nd, 2010 02:45 PM

Click here to Send Sadako of Girth a Private Message

Slay
Skyhighatrist

Gender: Male
Location: Your Erogenous Zones

I personally never really understand why this is an issue. I never considered Led Zeppelin as very 'metal'. They have more in common with progressive rock than they do with metal. Sabbath on the other hand were very 'doom' (I know, useless subgenres, blah, blah) and always had a lot heavier riffs and thematics.

__________________