In the same light though, a high end balls to the wall Prime, would be worlds above a high end balls to the wall supes tbh. At mid-range, he pushes planets and stomps teams. At an all-time PIS low, he stalemates and is eventually beaten by every teen titan + some members of the jla.
I see what you're saying, and Supes is a beast, but I don't buy the idea that he is above Prime in any physical stats by any degree.
In my opinion, I feel that Prime is simply a bloodlusted no holding back Superman with perhaps a slight edge in physical stats. If Kal were ever to truly just not give a crap, he'd be able to compete with Prime and perhaps more due to the fact that unlike Prime, he's very skilled with his powers and utilizes finesse more often than just beating the crap out of everything.
That's how I always saw it. I think the fact that Johns always wrote Kal-El as being unwilling to fight Prime, or trying to talk him down, as a hint as to how he viewed their levels.
Eh, I feel that Prime was supposed to be significantly stronger due to his pre-crisis origins.
While Superman could do something against him due to greater skill and such, he couldn't, say, take multiple full punches from Black Adam and declare that it 'tickles,' or get into a prolonged slugfest with a Daxam GL with Ion without getting worn down by it.
Where does it say that BA was weakened in that instance? Also, it was always a running thing that Prime could take magic very well, but while BA's his fists were surrounded by magical lightning, the force of the blows themselves were not magic, but rather just pure physical force as I understood it. If he is immune to any harm from an individual simply because they are magically powered (which I don't really believe), then that would pose a lot of problems in the versus forum imo
Adam had just gotten free of being hooked up to the machine, which was drawing on his power iirc. Unless I'm remembering wrong. And I thought I remembered Prime actually mentioning magic when Adam punched him.
i'm not saying he's immune, just that the combination of the other two factors might have stacked things in Prime's favour.
I could swear I've seen Supergirl let Lobo win at arm wrestling after about a hour-long stalemate and then claim she could have won at any point. Its in her respect thread.
But I guess the reboot changes things a bit. At least until people can establish themselves a bit more. Plus theres a big difference between Action Comics Supes and regular.
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Superboy Prime makes Guardians look like pussies and Superman working with a large group of superheroes couldn't hold him down when a ray of sunlight so much as shined on his hand.
I'm sorry, I can't bring myself to think that Superman was holding back to the extent that his full strength would be the equal of every other superhero that was holding Prime plus his own "holding back" levels. Since that is what he would have to have to equal Prime.
Superman has outright admitted he cannot match Prime in a contest of might.
Superboy Prime was meant to be more powerful, I think that is kinda clear IMO.
I'd say Prime is at least twice as strong as Superman normally. If Superman cuts loose its closer...but still Prime's game.
For reference...look at the New Hampshire Primary. Mitt Romney is Prime, Superman is Ron Paul. The other heroes are Rick Perry, Santorum, Huntsman, and Gingrich.
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