You know for Scenario 1, I think it includes both sabers AND force, since the OP said "they may use all their powers and abilities".
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But, more often than not, it comes down to swordsmanship rather than outright Force use. Unless Palpatine can somehow alter the environment and manipulate it in a certain fashion, I don't see him busting out some uber Force maneuvers while trying to avoid inexorable death at Skywalker's hands.
1. When I say sidious at his youthful prime, I meant and mentioned in the OP, that Sidious has all of his combat memories, experience, knowledge, everything to his "death" at the end of DE. Except he is given his physical body at the youthful physical prime of its life in combination with his experienced spirit.
So yes he would remember and know everything which took place in DE and to him and his defeat, as well as all his combat and saber experience prior.
2. For the first scenario of the battle colleseum, they may use any of their abilities, lightening, force draining, physically amping their own powers, speed, defenses, or to use illusions, force storms, etc. As well as sabers, each is also to be assumed to be at peak saber experience, not out of practice.
3. For the ship to ship scenario, I meant each is given a capital ship identical to the other, it is a test of tactic and battle meditation of who can out do the other.
Even still, Luke probably had greater Force potential than Sidious, right? And I would say that he has greater combat experience. I think Luke should win at least the saber battle and the all out. Force, probably not. Battle meditation battle? Sidious.
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Double Sidious' potential? I have a hard time believing that. That would put him above Anakin and I thought Anakin had the highest potential of anyone ever.
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George Lucas has stated that Luke has the same Force potential as his father, which is why both Darth Vader and the Emperor were willing to turn on each other to gain Luke as their apprentice. Luke is said to represent Anakin's full potential, if Anakin had lived to achieve it rather than suffer the horrible fate that made him more machine than man. Lucas further measures that Luke's Force potential was twice as powerful as Emperor Palpatine.
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I'd like to see the quote from Lucas himself rather than a Wookiepedia excerpt. If this is what you're referring to:
"When [Anakin] finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."
I should point out that nowhere in here does it state that Anakin and Luke had equal potentials. It says that "the son could become that". So, we have to take a look at what "that" is. "That" is defined earlier as "somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe". That was what Anakin would've become. All Lucas was saying is that Luke would eventually be stronger than Sidious - that's not quite the same thing as saying "zOMG, FULL POTENTIAL LUKE = ANAKIN!".
I'd also like to point out that Lucas said Anakin had twice the potential as he did after Mustafar. After Mustafar it was 80% of Sidious. So 160% before. So why would he have changed it to double? Oh yeah, Lucas is old and senile and doesn't really care about continuity.
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Interestingly, Sidious's lightning was blocked by Yoda's HANDS. Yet the Hidden One's lightning blasted Luke back and hit him against a pillar. So this either means that Hidden One's lightning > ROTS Sidious, Yoda > Luke, blocking lightning w/hands > blocking w/lightsaber and/or Yoda is just better at blocking lightning.
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Just because Luke has more raw power than Yoda does not mean he is better at everything. Besides Yoda has spent centuries developing defenses for different dark side techniques.
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What do you mean "at his most powerful?" Do you mean the most powerful he's been in his life, or his full potential? Because full-potential-achieved Luke would murder Palpatine.
Luke tried blocking it, and succeeded, but the impact still knocked him back.
The first time Yoda was caught by surprise. The second time he blocked it with his bare hands are redirected it, albeit he got knocked back too. How come Luke didn't do that? Is this yet another inconsistency?
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