That strikes me as an entirely irrelevant post, shiv. In response to the labelling of honour killings as 'common', bardock wants some hard numbers, which is a reasonable development from the thread. Your attempt there to attack Lil's numbers was deeply flawed.
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I am not saying it's not a problem, it obviously is even if it only happened once in five years. I think it is exaggerated in speech though, for whatever reasons. If it is really 12 murders in a population of 60 million, then I think this problem (and it is one) gets way more airtime than some comparable or even worse problems.
Like I said, it is a problem and it should be fought against but I think that in the reporting of the issue it generalizes a very small part of the muslim population (I don't know how many there are in England but there are about 5 million turks in Germany alone) as the norm. You know what I mean?
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Bardock42 is a whimpering pussy now who lost his flare to debate vigorously and just spouts senseless and thinly veiled puns here and there. You nazi pr*ck. Get your balls back from whoever you sold them to, you fat f*ck. What happened to the manly, chubby German big mouth we once knew, who'd flatten ignorance with a solid argument? Now it's like Andy Dick meets John Candy. You hybrid beefcake. Suck my c*ck
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I disagree.
His post was very much relevant. (Wait for it.)
He just failed to meet a few requirements in order to completely validate his points:
1. Divulge the number of devote Muslims.
2. Divulge the number of non-Muslims and non-Christians.
3. Divulge the number of devote Christians.
4. Prove that the majority of those "others" are devote Christians or some other religion. (Someone who says they are Christian by goes to church once a year, is hardly a Christian.)
5. Come up with the actual numbers of Muslim honor-killings and cite the source.
6. Divulge his sources for everything.
7. Do a global analysis of devote Christians vs. devote Muslims and see which group has the higher, per capita, homicide.
8. Then conclude, based off of all of those facts, which group was more violent.
No, wait, I DO agree with you, Ushgarak. His post was DEEPLY flawed.
Stole this from wiki "The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) estimates that the annual worldwide total of honor-killing victims may be as high as 5,000."
In my opinion if 1 person is killed because of honour then itīs very sad, enough people are killed enough as it is in the world.
Ok you can go on about these people are killed for this that and the other reason, but this thread is about honour killings.
And the main problem is the way women are treated in certain cultures, and it looks like they are on the stony dangerous road to freedom, lets hope they make it one day.
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Yet, you typed up that nice post.
This is the internetz. If you REALLY want to persuade your fellow posters, you must compose a solid factual argument. There's nothing more satisfying on the internetz (Pronz, not included) that utterly destroyed someone's ignorant argument with a well thought out, fact-based, works cited, post.
You do know that if you made the effort in your post to do exactly what I outlined, you could not only own the utter shit out of Ushgarak and Lil B, but every other person who has factually misconceived ideas about Muslims. This is, of course, assuming you are right. You could very well pwn yourself after doing the research and then make yourself look like a fool. That's why you do the research. It would take an hour or two.
The data you collect in that research could actually be so useful and or interesting that you might be able to compile it into a news format and get it to run somewhere. I am dead serious. If the information you compile is very sound and it addresses a HUGE social issue, you could get that shit published.
Straight out bashing, especially as you included me in that. You do this a lot, dadude, and now you are bing called out on it. That is an official warning.
And if you had looked you would also see that the post I called irrelevant was his one that went "What was this thread made for?"
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What the ****.
I seriously cannot believe how dense you're being.
I ****ing agreed with you. His numbers mean jack shit until he does revisions as I outlined.
Did you miss this part of my post on purpose?
"This is, of course, assuming you are right. You could very well pwn yourself after doing the research and then make yourself look like a fool. That's why you do the research. It would take an hour or two."
There would be major self pwnage if he's wrong and major pwnage if he's right. That's a rather simple concept.
Edit - You can argue word semantics. Fine. I don't care. I fail to see how "Your attempt there to attack Lil's numbers was deeply flawed." wasn't relavent to what I said.
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It is the practise of killing a family member on the idea that that person has dishonoured the family.
Generally these days this is manifested in females being killed by husbands, brothers, fathers, uncles or cousins for a myriad of perceived sins, from outright adultery to bearing children out of wedlock to, in some cases, being raped.
I suspect at some point it has been in the culture of most civilizations, but these days it is associated with certain Muslim communities.
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iirc, if your wife or daughter disobeys you in a manner that looks unfavorably upon your [man] honuor (wife in unfaithful, daughter has sex outside if marriage), you can kill them to reclaim that lost honour.
Edit: or what the English person said.
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