That has always bugged me. How exactly would Jiraiya have won, anyway? Nagato saw first hand that Naruto both knew his secret and was much more powerful than Jiraiya, but he still felt he could beat him.
I'm inclined to believe that statement was just PIS and should be used... given that it is confirmed Pein can use the powers of his bodies, and can control Jiraiya, I think that was probably intended merely as a "look how important it is to find out the secret" from kishi.
the five second interval might as well be a minute for the raikage, and all he has to do is elbow each path one time to down them. gluttony pain can absorb his chackra but it takes time, and raikage's elbow is not chackra so if that lands......... he's getting sasuke'd even worse than sasuke in susano'o got sasuke'd and even with that plot shield sasuke got sasuke'd pretty bad still.
Except Raikage will be dealing more with a Pain that fought Jiraiya and less like the Pain that fought Naruto. Not weakened, able to summon things instantly, including one that will be hiding him. Then there is the fact all the Pain's will be in one area so he's not going to be able to surprise attack them. He has no way to compete with Shinra Tensei. Even if (which it very well might) his raiton shroud blocks the bone crushing damage from it, he'll be flying back which is plenty of time for the five seconds thing to be a non-factor. Absorbing Pein will be useless for just the absorbing as Raikage doesn't really do ninjutsu besides his raiton shroud, but being constantly pushed or pulled into a attack he has 'dodged' and being bombarded with summons when he can't see who is summoning and being caught of guard there really is no chance to win.
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idunno bro, raikage wastes no time phukking dudes up who stand in front of him all stoic n' shit like pein and the sauce do.
say he hits deva path right in the grill from jump at full speed, what happens then?
and the kicker: besides shinra tensei, chibaku, and their super combo versions, what can actually damage raikage in raiton shroud?
if raikage takes deva down from the beginning, that takes out more than 95% of his worries. sure hell realm can revive him, but he can only do it once before raikage one pieces him, and hell....raikage might see deva path getting out of the head thing and realize whats up.
raiger double choke slam?
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It takes Raikage more time to go super saiyan than it would take for Summoner to disappear in with the Chameleon summon. Besides there is nothing else that needs to hurt Raikage. The rest would still knock him around and keep him off guard, and keep him from getting his footing. Summons knocking him around, being blasted by rockets, beind pushed, and pulled before he can hit somebody. It would be a uphill battle for Raikage.
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and the invisible chameleon summon wasn't out at first, it was like third, raikage could batter the animal path pein way before it comes out...or just behead her like his arm.
and again, the summons can't touch him. replace anything attacking raikage for 2-stage juugo (summon, fodder path). all he needs is a second to knock your ass into a cliff face and move on to bigger fish.
That's where the pulling, and pushing part of Yahiko comes in. Even if he does dodge he can still be pulled into the attack. And before he gains his bearings the five second thing is already over. Hurt or not he'll be knocked around and/or far away.
It was the first thing to summon. And unlike Jiraiya, Raikage doesn't have the ability to make a barrier that senses people or ma and pa toad. Though female Animal Realm seemed weaker than the male Animal Realm.
Raikage will be fighting Six Paths at once, along with the Summons. He'll be pushed, and pulled off balance every time he dodges, or even just finally catches himself after being knocked around. He'll never have the chance to attack. Yahiko hits him with a powerful, bone crushing Shinra Tensei, Absorbing Pein grabs him, starts absorbing his raiton shroud, and chakra without the effects of Sage Mode chakra, and while he is breaking/trying to break out of Absorbing's graps he gets his soul sucked out. It takes less time for Shinra Tensei to lay him out than it does for him to power up, and use raiton shroud also.
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i doubt it, amatarasu couldn't touch him nor juugo's point blank mega laser barrage. if he doesn't want to be toughed, he won't be.
and chibaku tensei (or whatever the almighty pull is called) might work against pein since raikage is a taijutu god. invisible of not, he'll be pulled right to him.
but seriously, he might just be too fast for anything to touch him at all. if he is indeed faster than kirabi even without the raiton shroud...he'll be hundreds of meters away in an instant the moment pein says his jutsu with his arm stretched out. then he'll be back in the same time in his "blind spot" before any of them can react.
How would he ever dodge an omni-directional, invisible attack?
It wouldn't get to God Realm. It would be used to pull him into a dodged attack.
There isn't anything to suggest he is to fast to be touched at all. He'd never have to time to amp up to the speed he used to dodge Amaterasu, and then attack God Realm before God Realm unleashes an attack that could break every bone in his body. His only hope would to be using Raiton Shroud first, but it would still still be to last because he's be hit by the attack as he does without being able to amp his speed fast enough to hope to blitz Pein. And that first inital Shinra Tensei from Pein is all that is needed to start a chain of constant attacks from every direction keeping Raikage from amping. Even assuming he could get his bearings after and start to dodge the attacks and beat all the summons, and other bodies it would be enough distraction for Pein to end the fight with Chibaku Tensei.
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all raikage needs to know is he's fighting the leader of akatsuki, he'll definitely boost to max output on that chackra armour.
but really, how long does it take to increase it? it seems to be regulated by his anger or frustration, and the base version is good enough to slice straight through his forearm like butter.
you have a point though, the push/pull is invisible and whatnot, but it still can't hurt him. also, it won't take long for him to figure out how long he goes inbetween uses, once it pushes him back once, it's elbow blitz time.
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And Pain saying Jiraiya could beat him if Jiraiya knew his secret isn't PIS.
If Jiraiya knew about the rods and the original body controlling them, there's no reason to assume he wouldn't do exactly what Naruto did. Jiraiya may not have had as strong of a sage mode as Naruto, but, IMO, he'd still beat Naruto in a 1 on 1 fight simply because of his experience, intelligence, and technique pool.
The first thing Jiraiya would do is get a hold of one of those rods/thingies and go right to pain and do the toad stomach or ultimate rasengan. I don't think any of the pains are faster than Jiraiya. In fact, I think Jiraiya would be faster than any of the Pain's.
And, Naruto is really fast himself, while in sage mode. He went from one location to another, at the very beginning of the fight, in an instant...attacking. To me, that is one of the fastest non-space/time techniques seen in the manga.
But, yeah, I see Raikage as being strong, but I don't have a way to compare him. His strength feat against a very much incomplete susanoo means almost nothing. We have no idea how strong that body is. It could simply be as strong as any other bones of that size. The best strength feat we have so far is Tsunade with Gamabunta's sword. So, by feats, she's still the strongest.
Naruto also has his own strength feat that approaches that scale: he took those two massive animals an launched them like they were styrofoam with a double mega-rasengan. Sweatest combo move in the series, thus far, imo. I was like, "WTF BOOOYYYEEEE!"
Naruto beat all the pain bodies who utterly crushed Jiraiya. Anyway Naruto could do the same ****ing shit he did against Pein, lose, get WTFrevived MULTIPLE TIMES and pull powers out of his ass like no tomorrow (seriously what was up w/ that sage-kyuubi bullshit).
And you're quite wrong to think so. The Pein bodies easily reacted and blocked Jiraiya's fastest attacks, so somehow you think they can't react to slower ones?
If he met face to face w/ nagato, he would instantly lose because Nagato could control his chakra and unlike Naruto he has no spontaneously manifested abilities to resist that.
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