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unless they are marching in from Canada or Mexico, no WW2 era troop transport will land in the Americas given modern tech
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The point is that aircraft carriers or not, America cannot bomb all places in the world constantly and with excellent precision.
At one point it will run out of resources, or bombing power and be overpowered and destroyed.
Rest of the world wins.
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And another thing - aircrafts travelling to bomb China? The distance is, first ridiculous, second it will have to fly over all other countries without stopping anywhere, not to mention getting shot down.
Then there are people coming from South America, From Asia and From Europe at USA.
It does not stand a chance.
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Nobody had technology during WWII to take out a stealth bomber or Carrier.
Invading Canada and South America will provide enough steel and oil to fund operations into the middle east or China for more steel and oil.
I just don't see what a WWII era world can possibly do to win? If it was strictly fought on the ground then okay, but navies and air forces just completely make it a clean sweep by the US.
Numbers mean nothing. It's like arguing 1,000 ants could take out a human. Not really when one stomp would take out 200 of them.
if you put all of the worlds actual military together that's less than a billion soldiers im sure, first off. you're assuming that somehow every person the world will be trained to fight and will be given equipment to fight and will have the vehicles to travel. this is completely unrealistic and will never happen.
second off- with our technology america can send missiles from our country into others without using a ship. we've perfected ICBM's something WW2 era world has no defense against. we can very easily cripple the factories and industry and economy of the majority of countries and without industry and economy you can not fight a war. its impossible.
thirdly- because of americas technological edge we have speed, power on our side, meaning we can hit a spot of the world where resistance is light and pull out before the bulk of the worlds armies arrive to help, and we can then hit another spot. we have planes capable of moving mach 4 that can move our troops around as well ships that are much more powerful and have much more range then WW2 era ships and planes.
fourthly- you're assuming that any place america attacks there will automatically be a billion people there to defend it. this is completely untrue. if its the entire world versus america then that means there's an entire planet of geography that has to be defended at all times. unless they want to abandon their own people the world has to spread its forces out across the planet. otherwise its screwed. with our spy satellites its childs play to find the least defended area of a country and blitz it, then pull out before the bulk of the world can retaliate. this also means that a surprise attack from the USA's enemies would be impossible ebcause large troop movements would be noticed by sattelities so that defense preperations are made days before the attack.
theres also the factor that WW2 era tech has no way of preventing an ICBM from being launched at military priority targets. use spy planes and satellites to keep tabs on important leaders and military tacticians, and bomb them with stealth bombers and ICBM's. with the military chain of command broken morale would be at an all time low, the worlds economies would be crippled, and whats left of their militaries would be broken. then its just chaos and anarchy. the world will basically destroy itself.
so yeah. america pretty much wins 10/10 times. as it should. the only pride we really have left is our ability to wage war, and open, total warfare, the kind used in WW2, is what we're best at.
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Since OP only states that modern America replaces WWII America geographically, does that mean it still retains WWII America's rabid production of military weapons?
Edit: Regardless, modern america still wins. The only way any of the majority of the countries can get to it is by ship, and modern navy = ultra-rape to anything floating in the water back then. And concerning Canada and South America, their forces would be halted as soon as they got showered by MOABs. It would be the equivalent of what we did to Japan with nukes, only with multitudes of 18,700lb bombs instead of just two nukes, pretty much eradicating their armed forces. This is purely based on a defensive strategy of letting the enemies come to them, of course, but that's how I'd go about it, cuz I "turtle" in C&C.
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I think the main stumbling point is, what is the goal of the modern American army?
as seen from people using cold war and prior era tech, occupation of even small regions of the world would be impossible. Nations like China or Russia, even if they had no formal army, would likely be unoccupiable, just given geography.
Also, were the Americans to launch a full scale ground war, meeting the opposing armies head on, sure, they would likely be overwhelmed (provided it is America invading another part of the world and not the other nations attempting to invade America).
However, the jumps in military technology make conventional war between the Americans and the formal armies of the world at WW2 too mismatched for the world to really stand a chance. WW2 tactics don't incorporate issues like air superiority, their tanks and artillery are ancient by comparison, and as mentioned, they don't have any form of or defense from ICBM technology.
I think a better question might be, in what way could the world win a victory over the formal American military? So far, the best answer has been asymmetrical tactics akin to what the modern Jihadi movement uses, but those a) weren't really around prior to the Iran/Iraq war and b) have NEVER actually defeated a formal army, rather, they resisted an occupation. Asymmetrical warfare is great, at defense. It has no offensive capability, or rather, the little it does is not enough to make it a viable threat for the defeat of the American military. Also, the OP stated that this was only a battle of formal militaries.
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If the USA were not worrying about civilian casualties or the eye of the media it would be an easy victory with minimal US civilian deaths. Just think about how long it would take WWII planes to make it to the American coast lines and look at how long it takes it for modern day jets to fly to other continents. You also have to consider Radar technology and satellites. Our missile shields would stave off any type of invasion or serious missile barrages. WWII was a war that was fought and won in the skies. Just compare the technologies. We have missiles that can span the globe. During WWII, bombers had to be directly above their targets. It doesn't matter which country has the technology in this scenario. Although, it does help that, in this scenario, America is separated by miles of water from the enemy.
The only way America would lose this scenario is if they had to worry about civilian casualties or the media.
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Well, here's the thing. Most WWII figures don't account for Japan's first attack on the US (pre-Pearl Harbor). Months before Pearl Harbor, Japan launched balloons filled with plague infested fleas which resulted in up to 30,000 deaths in California if not more. Do you really think the US is that much more prepared for some of the extremely dirty attacks carried out by the Germans and Japanese? I think the US would eventually win but not before suffering catastrophic civilian casualties from chemical and biological weapons, not to mention how many fifth columnists the current political climate would produce who would side with Germany (there were enough originally if you'll recall the business plot, the Silver Shirts, and the German Bund). Many US business interests would play both sides or maybe even side with the axis powers. If you look at US foreign policy over the last thirty years with things like Rex 84, Operation Condor, and the MK experiments, it altogether possible that a modern US would actually ally with the axis powers or remain neutral while providing covert support.
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This is were aircraft carriers come in. Also, 1940's China was shit from a military standpoint, as I said, with all there billions of people, they couldn't repel the very small Japanese force that occupied them.
Only two countries would be able to attack American soil, Canada and Mexico, they don't have the means to do much damage given their 40's era tech and America's 21st century tech.
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Brucellosis was first weaponized by the US in 1954 based on Japanese bioweapons research conducted by Shiro Ishi's Unit 731 during the early 40's. It's an extremely easy to manufacture and hardy disease.
An example of what I mean-German spies coordinate with existing hate groups. One neo-nazi shatters a lightbulb full of aerosol Brucellosis in the New York Subway System while another does the same thing on the tracks of a BART train in San Jose and another does the same in the subway under the capital mall.
Result: Millions of deaths and an epidemic in a relatively short amount of time.
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