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Originally posted by The Nuul
Evil mystical Ninjas don't really count as people.

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well they're still alive.

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Originally posted by roughrider
If they turn to dust when they die they're not real people.

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
That irrelevant. They still think, feel and have emotions.

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Originally posted by roughrider
Apparently not. Their only interest is getting paid to kill anyone outside their circle.

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Originally posted by roughrider

If you're going to claim such deaths at the hands of Daredevil, let's see some scans.

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone





Yes I like how you haven't even proved wether they are alive or not yet but are convienetly now trying to demand scans from me of wether DD has killed Hand ninjas. Why on earth would you do that unless you know your argument for them not being alive is weak?

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Originally posted by roughrider
Because we can spend several hours discussing the meaning of life and what counts as living -

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Originally posted by roughrider

or maybe the simplier way is showing scans of such events happening, because I haven't heard of Daredevil killing any members of The Hand.
Him doing so would seem to go against how he does his job in Hell's Kitchen.

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah and we might just do that, turning to dust when you die doesn't mean your not alive. Think about it, that simply means using that logic that other lifeforms that die and act differently to other humans aren't alive because they are different. Alive = sentient, not neccsarily human.



The nearest thing off the top of my head is letting and giving The Punisher permission to gun down The Hand and then later on in that issue getting upset because Pun tried to kill the Slug.

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Originally posted by roughrider
You know, if you look at my earlier posts, I have already given two examples of deaths by Daredevil & Batman ( 'Born Again', 'Cosmic Odyssey') when they had no choice.

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Originally posted by roughrider

We're talking here about Daredevil killing members of The Hand en masse, like he was Wolverine.

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Originally posted by roughrider
Sounds like it didn't really happen, then.

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone





Okkkk you do realise that its still relevant to the subject? You do realise that he allowed somebody to kill a sentient being and you realsie he could have stopped him?

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Originally posted by steverules_2
DD for sure, I mean lets face it if DD's main arch enemy was joker then DD would kill him without hesitation

I mean joker may survive a few storylines with DD but after a while I'm DD would take it upon himself to kill joker, but Batman...well jokers done many horrible things to the people that batman cares about the most but batman still refuses to kill joker and I think that shows that Batman has been taken to the limits and still refuses to kill...but DD kills and tortures and doesn't care...think that answers the question to this thread

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Originally posted by willRules
I think DD's just more likely to. I don't think he would kill and he's had the chance to kill Bullseye or the Punisher before and stated it was a line he wouldn't cross.

Whereas with Batman, it's more deeply grained into his origin and his psyche. His whole thing is that he witnessed his parent's murders and swore it wouldn't happen to anyone else. That's why he's even saved the lives of his villains before. DD, by comparison, adopts a similar moral outlook but it's not so ingrained into him. He keeps just getting brought right to the abyss, but just manages to pull himself back every time.

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Originally posted by Darth Jello
This was kind of prompted by a comment in another thread. Now I'm not exactly a regular Batman reader but am much more of a Daredevil fan. The comment was that supposedly DD is locked in a cycle with certain foes just like Batman is because of his unwillingness to kill. This referring to the main Batman and the main 616 Daredevil.

In fact, I believe that DD is much more brutal than Batman ever was. He routinely beats opponents into traction regardless of whether or not they have powers. He's killed before, in fact when battling the Hand, he kills their ninjas without a second thought even though they are human beings. He's also used deadly force against common thugs during times when he's been driven to insanity. Lately, he's been torturing criminals, specifically Hammerhead, Bullseye, and Ox and even said he felt good about it. When was the last time Batman suspended Bane from the ceiling with chains and went at him with a blow torch or carved a target into Joker's head with a rock? Finally, DD has actually attempted to murder both of his arch villains. During born again, he went into the Kingpin's office with the intention of murdering him and was severely beaten, though in a what if story, it clearly shows murderous intent. He's done the same to Bullseye. In fact he found out his secret identity and his past during a time when he stalked Bullseye with the intention of killing him in his sleep. He crosses the line waaaay more despite, and possibly because he's a lawyer...

Thoughts?

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Originally posted by Indestructible
Im a huge Batman fan but DD ftw. Batman dosnt kill. DD will if he must. thts just how it is