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inimalist
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Originally posted by Mindship
How did "10%" get picked anyway?

there is probably an interesting story, but afaik, it is out of thin air

the idea comes from the "human potential" movement, which is VERY loosely based on things like the hierarchy of needs. Its very eastern too...

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If you compare an ordinary person's performance (eg, gymnastics, playing the piano, chess), to that of an expert in the field, the latter demonstrates a higher, more efficient level of that skill (this, of course, includes what the brain is doing). Is the efficiency level now at 80%? 95? I've often wondered. Don't know how you'd quantify that, though.

What you are talking about is, without a doubt, expertise. I've never thought of the 10% myth compared to sports, and it really isn't used that way. It deals more with the "untapped potential" of humans.

Its associated not with being fast and strong, but achieving things outside of everyone elses ability. Its also a very good "god-of-the-gaps" style argument for psychic phenomena and other nonsense.

I don't think percent is even the proper measure, as you imply, 10% of what compared to what? Theoretically, 50% should just be 5 times better than 10%, not the ability to see extradimensional beings or affect reality with your thoughts, as there is none of that in the initial 10%.

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Oct 11th, 2009 11:39 PM

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Theoretically, 50% should just be 5 times better than 10%, not the ability to see extradimensional beings or affect reality with your thoughts, as there is none of that in the initial 10%.

Damn.

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inimalist
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lol, hey, thats only what science says smile

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Oct 12th, 2009 12:00 AM

Bardock42
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flow is NOT using the "unused" potential of neuronal processing.

from what the wiki talks about, it would likely be more of using less of the commonly used neuronal processing pathways. If we use the 10% analogy, flow would reduce that number, not increase it.

The way I understand it is not so much about using other potential, but about the way you feel during something affecting your efficency.

I thought that was somewhat what Mindship was talking about with his "in the zone"

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Oct 13th, 2009 10:13 AM

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inimalist
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no, totally. I think we were just talking about different sorts of things at different levels of explanation.

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Oct 13th, 2009 03:26 PM

mikeydude
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By "in the zone" I'm referring to a state we've all experienced at one time or another ("in the zone" is just the athlete's term). This state is characterized (depending on the activity) by heightened mental / intuitive alertness, sensory awareness and motor response. When I would spar, I was amazed at the heightened efficiency in my ability to block, to see windows for striking. And just to make sure I wasn't imagining this, I'd ask for feedback from my sparring partners. My best friend at the time used to call it "flashes."

I also used to experience this state sometimes when I was studying for exams. My memory was virtually eidetic.

It's a more efficient state because the mind and body are operating in unison, as opposed to our usual egoic, sleep-walking state of awareness. This is why I think of it as a higher signal-to-noise ratio: there's less internal chatter; the mind aligns with the body (or with itself) much more fluidly.

i understand what you mean. when i sparr my adrenaline kicks in and i suddenly go into a state of mind where i can see things move at a slower pace that what i normally would. but i just see these things as my adrenaline.

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i understand what you mean. when i sparr my adrenaline kicks in and i suddenly go into a state of mind where i can see things move at a slower pace that what i normally would. but i just see these things as my adrenaline.

Adrenaline is certainly a part of it (at least in sports). It's a pretty cool state to be in, regardless of the activity.

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Oct 13th, 2009 09:12 PM