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Federation GROUND force vs USA Ground force
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You make good points, but:

This is only a ground battle. No air support or space support is allowed. Starfleet doesn't use tanks because they could just use fighters, but now in this case we're talking about a pure ground battle.

What is the range of a phaser? Artillery can strike from many kilometers away.


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You make good points, but:

This is only a ground battle. No air support or space support is allowed. Starfleet doesn't use tanks because they could just use fighters, but now in this case we're talking about a pure ground battle.

What is the range of a phaser? Artillery can strike from many kilometers away.


But artillery would just impact on the shields and do no damage.


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But artillery would just impact on the shields and do no damage.


Do ground Federation troops use shields? I don't think so.


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Do ground Federation troops use shields? I don't think so.


Yes, they do. There was a next generation show were there was a storm on a planet (some kind of planet wide plasma storm). The people from the Enterprise used shield generators to hold the storm back while they evacuated the planet, and then they used the shields to protect themselves when they could not hold back the storm any longer.


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Yes, they do. There was a next generation show were there was a storm on a planet (some kind of planet wide plasma storm). The people from the Enterprise used shield generators to hold the storm back while they evacuated the planet, and then they used the shields to protect themselves when they could not hold back the storm any longer.


Please elaborate on the characteristics of that shield.


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Please elaborate on the characteristics of that shield.


Why? Have you ever watched the show? If shields in Star Trek can deflect antimatter explosions, then they can stop conventional weapons (to the US army today), including nuclear weapons.

All they need is power, and they have more then enough of that.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shields_(Star_Trek)


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Sorry I took me so long to respond, but:

Now I don't remember Federation GROUND forces regularly using shields.

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Why is this a thread?


What do you mean?


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Sorry I took me so long to respond, but:

Now I don't remember Federation GROUND forces regularly using shields.



What do you mean?


I didn't know "regularly using" was a requirement. On Star Trek, they rarely show ground battles.


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i wish EU was canon. Star Trek EU has some scary shit when it comes to ground battles, even from starfleet. shit like hidden transporter pads that auto beam any poor soul who sets foot on them in to orbit and the like...


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i wish EU was canon. Star Trek EU has some scary shit when it comes to ground battles, even from starfleet. shit like hidden transporter pads that auto beam any poor soul who sets foot on them in to orbit and the like...


Wow, that's cold-blooded.


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Wow, that's cold-blooded.


yup, but awesome at the same time.

they also had transporter scramblers. they wouldn't stop you beaming down, but as you materialised they'd scatter your molecules. i wonder if that's at all painful...


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The Federation stomps


Because...


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You make good points, but:

This is only a ground battle. No air support or space support is allowed. Starfleet doesn't use tanks because they could just use fighters, but now in this case we're talking about a pure ground battle.

What is the range of a phaser? Artillery can strike from many kilometers away.


US ground forces stomps!!! GO JOES!!!

USA all the way!!!!

happy? roll eyes (sarcastic)

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US ground forces stomps!!! GO JOES!!!

USA all the way!!!!

happy? roll eyes (sarcastic)


I'm not saying that USA wins, although since you apparently don't have any counter to my argument and try and make it so that I am the wrong one by making me seem like a persistent US fanboy without actually countering any of my points, I shall assume that you are admitting defeat.


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Based on what I've seen in the show/movies, I don't see the Trek ground forces being able to just fight head on like soldiers. Except for that sweet ass dunebuggy, I don't remember any ground vehicles and they don't wear any armor. But I could see them being really effective if they used those cloaking suits and just walked in and wide beamed everything.


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Sorry I took me so long to respond, but:

Now I don't remember Federation GROUND forces regularly using shields.



What do you mean?


they are readily available, though, and they work. an artillery shell isn't penetrating one of those shields.


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Two names - Rangers and Green Beret. Special Forces could strike before they knew they were there. A TR-116 is a good sniper rifle, but a .50 caliber is devasting. Can kill a target up two miles and burn through tank armor. You keep forgeting the LAW anti-tank missile system and landmines. Mobile tube rocket launchers. Artillery can fire biological and chemical weapons. The Army (infantry) isn't just equipped with the good ole M-16: M4-A1 Carbine, M-14 with thermal sighting, M4-A1 Grenadier, M-16 Grenadier, SAW, HK-5 submachine gun, SCAR, Javelin anti-tank missile and i could list a whole lot more. A phaser rifle from ranges beyond 100 meters isn't very accurate.


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Two names - Rangers and Green Beret. Special Forces could strike before they knew they were there. A TR-116 is a good sniper rifle, but a .50 caliber is devasting. Can kill a target up two miles and burn through tank armor. You keep forgeting the LAW anti-tank missile system and landmines. Mobile tube rocket launchers. Artillery can fire biological and chemical weapons. The Army (infantry) isn't just equipped with the good ole M-16: M4-A1 Carbine, M-14 with thermal sighting, M4-A1 Grenadier, M-16 Grenadier, SAW, HK-5 submachine gun, SCAR, Javelin anti-tank missile and i could list a whole lot more. A phaser rifle from ranges beyond 100 meters isn't very accurate.


Star Trek shields make all of those things you listed nil.


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