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Wild Shadow
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surfer/thor/brb

have all displayed FTL reflexes. just because they dont blur their arms like DC and other char do doesnt mean they cant...

SS can react move stop swerve at ftl speeds... but ppl argue he cant fight because he doesnt move portions of his body at ftl speed. but the thing is he is moving his entire body at those speeds and figting at those speeds..

same with thor and BRB... they all fly react and move at ftl speeds... they can see ftl object rather casually and smack them down to the ground with their hammers like its nothing..

they can fly at ftl speeds and exchange attack but ppl say they cant fight at ftl speeds b/c body parts arent drawn in blurs and after images like some other char.. and when they do ppl argue how do we know it was ftl speed.

if we apply albert eistien theory they are fighting at ftl speeds but it is a different frame of reference.. two objects moving at those speeds are exchanging ftl punches but to them its just normal equivalent time frame punches. both are reacting at ftl.

what flash does when he moves portions of his body at ftl speeds is cool to ppl who cant keep up with his speed and are seeing him from another point of reference but to another person with equal ability those punches would appear normal speed and if they were fighting and running at ftl those flurry of punches would not be moving ftl independent from their own frame of reference.

hope i didnt confuse anyone here.


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Of course it's FTL. They were dodging, attacking, and circling around each other while keeping pace with the ship.

Let me ask you something, if I fired a bullet at faster than the speed of sound, and two guys were running circles around it while attacking and dodging each other before it reached the target, how does that not make them fighting faster than sound?

Same principle here, except replace sound with light


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Lightray can easily.


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Originally posted by xJLxKing
That fight between BRB and SS should not be considered FTL.


Why not? They were clearly fighting, moving and reacting at speeds faster than light if we use the ship as a reference point which was moving faster than light.


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did anyone understand my post?


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Swamp Thing?


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Can someone provide proof that Supes, Gladiator, Sentry, can fight at light speed bc I dont think either of them can fight past the speed of sound.


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Can someone provide proof that Supes, Gladiator, Sentry, can fight at light speed bc I dont think either of them can fight past the speed of sound.



Sentry? Considering he's like a failed clone of Superman, you have to assume Marvel wants him at lightspeed.


Or, wait, that depends on if Superman is lightspeed...


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look as far as taht scan goes this is all i see. there is a green field around the entire ship. the ship itself may or maynot be travelling ftl. assuming it is. surfer and brb appear to be fighting within the green field. therefore they are being both carried along inside the ship itself and relatively... are not fighting faster than light.


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Bah, I should have figured. Swamp Thing has done everything, it seems.


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look as far as taht scan goes this is all i see. there is a green field around the entire ship. the ship itself may or maynot be travelling ftl. assuming it is. surfer and brb appear to be fighting within the green field. therefore they are being both carried along inside the ship itself and relatively... are not fighting faster than light.


That green thing was a Force Field created by Beta Ray Bill against Surfer's attacks. Once he gets up close, it obviously disappears, and Silver Surfer and Beta Ray Bill aren't shown to be fighting on the ship. Hell, Beta Ray Bill's initial, blow, smashes him into the side exterior of the ship.

They were fighting and keeping up at faster than light speeds.


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That green thing was a Force Field created by Beta Ray Bill against Surfer's attacks. Once he gets up close, it obviously disappears, and Silver Surfer and Beta Ray Bill aren't shown to be fighting on the ship. Hell, Beta Ray Bill's initial, blow, smashes him into the side exterior of the ship.

They were fighting and keeping up at faster than light speeds.


which is part of my argument that they are being carried by the wake of the ship.


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to me it looks like brb is standing on the ship.. surfer rushes to him. brb hits surfer and knocks him into the side of the ship. brb. goes and gets hit off the ship.. and then is floating in space with surfer. thats like the second to last issue of the godslayer series right?


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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Of course it's FTL. They were dodging, attacking, and circling around each other while keeping pace with the ship.

Let me ask you something, if I fired a bullet at faster than the speed of sound, and two guys were running circles around it while attacking and dodging each other before it reached the target, how does that not make them fighting faster than sound?

Same principle here, except replace sound with light
That sounds logical. But I think your perspective is a bit off. See if you agree with this: That fight scene between Surfer and BRB is analogous to Nascar drivers weaving in and between each other all while moving their hands for steering/shifting. Now, technically, their hands are moving faster than 100+ mph relative to a stationary point on the track. But with respect to each other and themselves, their hands aren't moving 100+ mph.
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which is part of my argument that they are being carried by the wake of the ship.
While possible, they aren't necessarily being carried by the wake of the ship. There is nothing on-panel that suggests that. But either way, I agree with your conclusion simply because fighting while travelling at light speeds+, doesn't necessarily equate to FTL reflexes. Same as a driver on a Nascar raceway isn't moving his hands for steering/shifting at 100+ mph.


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That scene looks to me like Swamp Thing converted himself into, or travelled at the speed of, light to escape the xray field. No?
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Originally posted by carver9
Can someone provide proof that Supes, Gladiator, Sentry, can fight at light speed bc I dont think either of them can fight past the speed of sound.
I've not seen Supes or Sentry do it. I'm positive they can fight far faster than the speed of sound though. This is proof that Gladiator can fight at light speed:



Light travels approximately one foot in one nanosecond. If Gladiator punches towards Hyperion, and from that position Hyperion counter-punches and Gladiator catches the punch, all in the space of nanoseconds, their hands must be moving at lightspeeds.


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Good. Lot of stuff been going on so I didn't come on the boards for a while. You?


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And you need to stay off more.

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Good. Lot of stuff been going on so I didn't come on the boards for a while. You?


Meh, just school. Staying for one more semester. Managing a social life and work is a *****. I barely go on anymore. Honestly, I almost stopped reading comics.


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