Do Sansweet's and Cerasi's comments circa 2001 override the authority of Leland Chee circa 2009? And if so, do they represent Lucas' position on canon? The official stance on canon, specifically G-canon, allows whatever is in the scripts, novels, deleted scenes etc. to be admitted to the continuity provided they do not contradict the movie. If that line Palpatine dropping his saber his legit, then yes, Yoda is the superior duelist. However, as the movie and novelization clearly show, Palpatine was the superior combatant in the end.
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i'm pretty sure someone ( i think it was Gideon with his source-books) Had a source that stated Yoda disarmed Sidious before the part of the fight that we see in the Rotunda.
I wasn't talking about the Mace and Sidious duel. I said Depa was watching Mace while he was fighting, and she said, "if I remember correctly" that it was as if he was "invisible".
fighting who? He only fought Vastor, am i right? And i don't think any of that book came from Depa's point of view. Maybe he was invisible to Nick Rostu WHEN he(Mace) was fighting Depa? Then we get into the whole, Nick Rostu didn't know how to use the force, and of course it was invisible to HIM argument.
Which would coincide with the script and the film (that scene in the film is just never shown, as Yoda and Sidious are dueling, they break to Anakin and Obi-wan dueling, and when they return to the Yoda Sidious match, Sidious is tossing senate pods, you never see his saber again).
Sidious > Tyranus even when Tyranus is on Vjun, since Yoda was still able to whoop Tyranus and yet the battle between Yoda and Sidious was a virtual stalemate.
Caedus might be above/rivaling Mace Windu...
Darth Bane should be much higher on the list, especially w/his Orbalisks, in which he might surpass Sidious in terms of PURE SABERS
Revan is...unknown, but probably higher on the list.
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Everything that I am about to say is based on lightsaber skills, and only lightsaber skills.
In 11 ABY Luke needed a significant amount of help to defeat Palpatine, I would say it's a fair guess that Luke could have pulled even with him, or slightly surpassed him at some point. As far as Yoda goes, as has been brought out, Yoda did in fact disarm Sidious on the initial dueling pod, proving that he is the superior saberist. And as far as Yoda versus DE Sidous goes, there is absolutely no proof that DE Sidious had become a better saberist (and being as how quickly Yoda disarmed Sidious in their duel, I would give the clear advantage to Yoda). And I believe that Tyranus on Vjun, would have been better than Sidious, the book it self states that even Mace Windu would not have been able to match Tyranus on Vjun, I doubt that Sidious would have had much of a chance either.
As far as Caedus goes, yes I could see moving him up potentially one spot. With Bane I believe that he was the best saberist ever before the golden age, but I just don't believe that he would be better than presuit Vader or Obi at his prime. Lastly with Revan, yes I could see moving him up one spot, whether he should be in 7 or 8 was the most difficult choice for me.
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That was what I thought the quote was. This was hand-to-hand combat, not lightsabers. He was punching Vastor in the nose faster than Vastor could blink.
WHy would you think that? No where has it ever been stated that Vaapad channels light, only darkness.
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Okay. Vaapad channels the users Inner Darkness notice the inner bit there. So it's jsut as effective againt a Lightsider and Darksider. UNLESS, the darksider is more powerful than the user at that moment in time then the SCL kicks in and allows the Vaapad user to equal them. *I think.
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So what you're saying is that a Vapaad user will always be superior or equal to a DS user, because if the DS user is weaker...well then they're weaker, but if they're stronger than Vapaad will allow LS user to equal them?
So some random jedi that learned Vapaad would be able to stalemate DE Sidious?
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Well... no "random" Jedi can learn Vaapad. He/she must be of exceptional quality in order to control Vaapad. Also, learning it isn't sufficient. One must master Vaapad in oder to do so. So in a way... to answer your question... yes.
No the loop doesn't come into effect if there weaker that's illogical, the loop only comes in if they're [DS user]stronger. I think Gideon explained all this years ago.
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Might as well call him "Matt Atom Bomb"
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And this fool - he likes DC Comics
Two energy swords make up his symbol
And trust me, dawg, this homie's nimble
So if LS user is weaker, then the loop will make him equal.
If LS user is stronger...then, well, he's stronger, loop isn't needed.
So a Vapaad user will always be either equal to or superior to any DS user?
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Oct 29th, 2009 04:38 AM
