SSJ Goku was probably the most powerful being in the known universe as of that time, but if you count characters that don't come in until later than Dabura or Pikkon (if you count dead guys, and if he was dead by then, which I think he was), although he's probably weaker than Dabura.
Or, if you want to get very technical, Buu was still there, albeit sealed, so yeah Buu was the strongest.
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Dabura was also from a different Universe. Buu was powerless, if you want to get technical. He was completely useless and required some infusion of Ki to be revived. Also, King Kai wasn't aware of Buu. If you ask the King Cold fanboys here, they'll tell you it's beacuse Toriyama hadn't created him yet.
Edit - SSJ Goku did not exist until the end there, for Freeza. Before SSJ GOku, Freeza really was the strongest in the Universe. King Kai agrees with me. lol
Dadudemon, I go get rather tired of holding your hand through these arguments. Can you respond with something other than a big "nah ah" next time you post?
1. Because he is an arrogant prick? Freeza outright claimed he is the strongest in the universe...After losing to Goku. He is not basing his claims on factual information, but his inflated ego.
2. Ki is the source of EVERY fighter's power in DBZ, if you are not even aware of that than get the hell out of this thread, because you clearly do not know what you are talking about. EVERY time it was said, it was by Freeza or people who were not aware of anyone stronger.
3. No it doesn't, prove that. Technically, Androids DO have Ki, it is just an unnatural form, Android 16-18 have Ki as evidenced by their ability to manipulate it, 18 using Destructo Disk also proves that they can learn to use their ki differently. Those cybernetic parts apparently increased his power level, his level of ki, so yes, you in fact CAN notice the difference, and the ki they "generate" is visible to those who can sense it, otherwise their would be no noticeable difference. You are wrong, get over yourself.
4. Freeza alone stated it. Freeza's arrogant delusional claims are not fact, Tien's observation of Freeza's and his father's power levels is fact.
5. You haven't proved a damn thing, in fact, King Kai in the scan you posted did not state Freeza was the strongest in the universe...He said Goku was, and Goku is stronger than Freeza. Goku is also stronger than King Cold. So yeah. Your proof is fallacious.
Um no it does make big difference as I explained. You aren't very smart if you don't see a difference between King Cold saying something that concerns HIMSELF or someone "insignificant" (as you put i) saying it.
But no, I'm sure you aren't THAT stupid, you just have too large an ego to admit it.
Yup, and you made a statement that was INCORRECT. Deal with it.
I read your damn post. Stop pretending it's some earth shattering revelation. You aren't very smart if you don't see the difference betwen King Cold saying it and an underling saying to King Cold's face.
No, because his father wasn't even there during the time he made all those "I am teh strongest!!1" claims on Namek.
Also...
Really. Think about that.
Pray tell, how did he misinterpret Tien's comment? And how is what Tien said hyperbole that means nothing?
Or alternatively, Cold didn't vaporize him because he needed that 'random guy' to help restore his son back to life, not that it matters anyway since it was a filler part in the anime and not in the manga, therefore not canon.
... no, I'm not. That's just you putting words in my mouth. I would never accuse the creator of one of my favorite childhood series of being an idiot, unless maybe it was him who also made GT... but it wasn't.
I'm not pretending to, and it's not ridiculous, especially considering that King Kai wasn't even aware of Cell or the Androids until Goku teleported to his planet and told him about them prior to the Cell Games.
As proven there, it is indeed possible for King Kai to overlook characters stronger than Frieza.
As shown by the above example, what King Kai says is not always true and can be retconned. What he said about Frieza being the strongest in the universe for example was retconned.
Yes he was. He, along with all the other Kais, fought Majin Buu at one point before he was sealed away...
First off, if you're gonna call someone a fanboy, get your facts straight on what they're actually a fanboy of.
Secondly, the "Toriyama hadn't created him yet" part is true, like it or not. If it wasn't, King Kai here would not have declared Frieza "dead"...
He would have detected the remains of Frieza drifting somewhere in space after Namek's explosion, but the continuation of the series after the Namek saga with Frieza still being alive made King Kai look like a fool instead.
Funny. Wasn't it you who said not too long ago that whomever said it didn't make a big difference anyway?
Christ, it's like watching a little kid close his eyes, cup his ears and stomp the ground when people try to tell this guy the facts....
Seriously, this is why I had to stop arguing with Dadudemon in the Kenpachi thread, intelligent... or hell, even common sense based arguments are completely lost on him, AND, he's oblivious so he can carry on endlessly.
I mean.. wtf... he really just tried to pass off a semantic argument for Ki being different from overall power in DBZ? HA!
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This kind of "I'm always right, everyone else is wrong" thing has been happening your whole life hasn't it? By far the most egotistical person I've encountered on these boards. Take a hint
There is one thing I'd like to mention over this whole "Frieza/Cold" business...if we look at the the entire family, it's pretty clear that both Frieza and Cooler were spoiled brats that got to brag about whatever they chose, within reason. It then stands that King Cold wouldn't be very upset about allowing his own son a bit of pre-battle gloating after just being rebuilt, yes? That doesn't mean Frieza is stronger than Cold at all, he's just trying to build his self-esteem.
Lol, weird concept, eh, but it makes sense, don't you guys think?
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1. Everyone here is wrong. I proved it. They are closing their eyes, cupping their ears, and stomping their feet. I've been wrong before and admitted it. This time, I've provided more than enough evidence to be correct in both the anime and manga. They still won't listen. They are using excuses like "Toriyama hadn't created him yet!" As if Toriyama forgot all about his characters. It was never said that King Cold was the strongest in the universe. Never. Ever. Ever. It was never said that he was stronger than Frieza. Never. Ever. All they have is one line indicating a higher Ki.
2. Yeah, I'm obviously a retard because Ki is everything for overall power in DBZ. Oh wait, it isn't.
Here's the problem: there's other worse on these boards. You're a good example. After I proved that pound force existed, you never once said "oh, wait, you're right. My bad." Instead, you continued to troll, just like now.
I've been wrong in the past and admitted it. You continue to try to make things personal, though.
If it's any help, I apologize for whatever I said to you to make you pissed off.
But now we have to reconcile Vegeta saying Frieza was the strongest, Frieza's underlings saying he was the strongest, King Kai saying he was the strongest, etc. If we can reconcile that, then I'll buy your explanation for Frieza getting to say he's the strongest, but only for the manga, not the anime. In the anime, Frieza was, undoubtedly, the strongest.
Wasn't there an instance when Vegeta was in the presence of both Frieze and King Cold before Frieza was defeated? I thought I had seen one episode where it had happened. I don't recall Frieza ever trying to sass his pop, though he did give a smack to Vegeta, I think. Seriously, as arrogant as the children were, and if the apple doesn't fall far from the tree (which has more or less been proven correct via personality traits), then King Cold would have to be so full up on himself that he wouldn't feel any need to gloat about his strength unless one of his boys got uppity, in which case King Cold had to choke a *****.
All the other Z fighters never even knew about Cold, and Kai probably didn't speak about him because he wasn't an immediate thread, not being with his son on Namek and all. Sure, he's more powerful, but if he's so far away any chance of him making it back to become a threat is practically nil, why bother mentioning him?
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