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This is incorrect. You are calling the Rebels "hooligans" when I showed you how they aren't. Stop making completely unsupported claims.


There are numerous sources showing that the Rebels were a powerful guerrilla force, not a "bunch of hooligans" like you claim without any support or reason.



How powerful? Can he survive a planet busting attack?


His point still stands: Massive empire undone by a few people.



Unicron was so powerful that only the Autobot Matrix of Leadership can destroy him. Look at Transformers the movie 1986 and ask how the Deathstar can withstand an assault like you see at three points throughout the movie...


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His point still stands: Massive empire undone by a few people.



Except that it wasn't by "a few people".

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Unicron was so powerful that only the Autobot Matrix of Leadership can destroy him. Look at Transformers the movie 1986 and ask how the Deathstar can withstand an assault like you see at three points throughout the movie...


What about multiple Galaxy Guns firing at Unicron from lightyears away?


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What about multiple Galaxy Guns firing at Unicron from lightyears away?


There's one Galaxy Gun.

Unicron would just swallow the attack.


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Also Galaxy gun bursts are sub light. Unicron might see them coming and avoid them.


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There's one Galaxy Gun.

Unicron would just swallow the attack.


Star Forge ftw since it could mass produce superweapons if the knowledge of making them is there, which it is.

Do you have proof?


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And my point, of all the Alternity bots goin' back in time to "falcon-punch" everyone's parents while they're still expecting, still may stand, haha.


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True, the Empire was super overarrogant and corrupt, but was still powerful.



Star Wars turbolasers generate hundreds millions of gigawatts of energy per blast. The Death Star superlaser is estimated to generate energy in the 10^32 joules range.


The transformers movie franchise gave the cybertronians nova generating weapons. Its the plot of the whole revenge of the fallen remember, they only cause stars to go nova when there are no living things in the planets surrounding the particular star.

The fallen wants to make the sun go nova and absorb the energy generated to create energon cube, even though earth is inhabited. They were going to do this while they were on earth, which might suggest that all transformers can survive a nova explosion from a close distance (earth and even mars would be engulfed by the blast if the sun goes nova, check with any astronomer). but this is just my speculation.

It is a fact however that if the transformers are able to create a "cube" from the energy harvested from the nova using their machine, they can use it to make any machine from, bread toasters and cell phones to deathstars, starforge, galaxy gun and suncrushers, into a sentient war freak, gun-tooting transformer as seen in the movies 1 and 2. This means they can convert the entire imperial fleet and all technology present in the SW universe for that matter, into an unstopable transformer juggernaut army.

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And my point, of all the Alternity bots goin' back in time to "falcon-punch" everyone's parents while they're still expecting, still may stand, haha.


stick out tongue Falcon punch lol




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Star Forge ftw since it could mass produce superweapons if the knowledge of making them is there, which it is.

Do you have proof?


You can your Star Forge nonsense. Unless the Star Forge can shart out a Matrix, you have nothing on Unicron.

Unicron eats Stars for breakfast. /Proof


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how are galaxy gun bursts sub-light if they move several times beyond lightspeed?

in fact check it out.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightspeed

considering the blast fired from a galaxy gun moves at a speed equivelent to that of a .75 hyperdrive which is faster than a class 1 hyperdrive that would mean that the blast actually moves multiple hundreds of millions of times the speed of light!


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You can your Star Forge nonsense. Unless the Star Forge can shart out a Matrix, you have nothing on Unicron.

Unicron eats Stars for breakfast. /Proof


Irrelevant rebuttal. We were debating whether or not Unicron can withstand multiple galaxy guns firing at it. Whether or not the star forge can chart out a matrix is irrelevant to the discussion. Stop redirecting the argument.


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Irrelevant rebuttal. We were debating whether or not Unicron can withstand multiple galaxy guns firing at it. Whether or not the star forge can chart out a matrix is irrelevant to the discussion. Stop redirecting the argument.




So this is yet another 'Star Wars Vs. Something Hewhoknowsall knows nothing about' thread and you'll just dictate that Star Wars wins because it's Star Wars.

But I'll explain my comment to you yet again, since you're a total failure who can't follow something that's been told to you multiple times. REPEAT: UNICRON CAN ONLY BE KILLED BY THE AUTOBOT MATRIX.

He's devoured around 20% of the universe (planets, moons, stars etc) and taken in their energy, which would equate to millions, billions or trillions of galaxies, depending on your view of how big the universe is. So unless the Star Wars galaxy has an AUTOBOT MATRIX, it'll just be another galaxy he'll eventually devourer and shart out. Then of course, there's all those other millions of Transformers, which would be in the fight too.


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So this is yet another 'Star Wars Vs. Something Hewhoknowsall knows nothing about' thread and you'll just dictate that Star Wars wins because it's Star Wars.

But I'll explain my comment to you yet again, since you're a total failure who can't follow something that's been told to you multiple times. REPEAT: UNICRON CAN ONLY BE KILLED BY THE AUTOBOT MATRIX.

He's devoured around 20% of the universe (planets, moons, stars etc) and taken in their energy, which would equate to millions, billions or trillions of galaxies, depending on your view of how big the universe is. So unless the Star Wars galaxy has an AUTOBOT MATRIX, it'll just be another galaxy he'll eventually devourer and shart out. Then of course, there's all those other millions of Transformers, which would be in the fight too.


Contrary to what it may seem like, I'm not necessarily saying that Star Wars wins in this case since I have a rather limited knowledge of Transformers. However, your argument still has little to do with the topic, since the autobot matrix isn't the only way to defeat Unicron.


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Easy enough then, educate yourself first on Transformers; then post a counter.


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So this is yet another 'Star Wars Vs. Something Hewhoknowsall knows nothing about' thread and you'll just dictate that Star Wars wins because it's Star Wars.

But I'll explain my comment to you yet again, since you're a total failure who can't follow something that's been told to you multiple times. REPEAT: UNICRON CAN ONLY BE KILLED BY THE AUTOBOT MATRIX.

He's devoured around 20% of the universe (planets, moons, stars etc) and taken in their energy, which would equate to millions, billions or trillions of galaxies, depending on your view of how big the universe is. So unless the Star Wars galaxy has an AUTOBOT MATRIX, it'll just be another galaxy he'll eventually devourer and shart out. Then of course, there's all those other millions of Transformers, which would be in the fight too.


thats a bit of a no-limit fallacious dont you think? also absorbing mass amounts of energy over the course of months and years =\= massive energy output in one sudden blast (or multiple if its two death stars and a galaxy gun).


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thats a bit of a no-limit fallacious dont you think? also absorbing mass amounts of energy over the course of months and years =\= massive energy output in one sudden blast (or multiple if its two death stars and a galaxy gun).


Considering it's fiction and a cartoon, no. Maybe you should watch the 1986 Transformers films?


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So this is yet another 'Star Wars Vs. Something Hewhoknowsall knows nothing about' thread and you'll just dictate that Star Wars wins because it's Star Wars.

But I'll explain my comment to you yet again, since you're a total failure who can't follow something that's been told to you multiple times. REPEAT: UNICRON CAN ONLY BE KILLED BY THE AUTOBOT MATRIX.

He's devoured around 20% of the universe (planets, moons, stars etc) and taken in their energy, which would equate to millions, billions or trillions of galaxies, depending on your view of how big the universe is. So unless the Star Wars galaxy has an AUTOBOT MATRIX, it'll just be another galaxy he'll eventually devourer and shart out. Then of course, there's all those other millions of Transformers, which would be in the fight too.


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I tried watching the new Transformers cartoon, takes place in the future. It sucked, nothing like the 80's.


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So this is yet another 'Star Wars Vs. Something Hewhoknowsall knows nothing about' thread and you'll just dictate that Star Wars wins because it's Star Wars.

But I'll explain my comment to you yet again, since you're a total failure who can't follow something that's been told to you multiple times. REPEAT: UNICRON CAN ONLY BE KILLED BY THE AUTOBOT MATRIX.

He's devoured around 20% of the universe (planets, moons, stars etc) and taken in their energy, which would equate to millions, billions or trillions of galaxies, depending on your view of how big the universe is. So unless the Star Wars galaxy has an AUTOBOT MATRIX, it'll just be another galaxy he'll eventually devourer and shart out. Then of course, there's all those other millions of Transformers, which would be in the fight too.


I've watched all the transformers cartoons and animated movies. I agree with Hewhoknowsall that the autobot matrix is not the only way to destroy "Transformers the Movie - Unicron". Multiple deathstars or galaxy guns would probably do the job. Ten death stars and ten galaxy guns attacking at the same time would probably takeout "Transformers the Movie Unicron". If you don't like ten then lets go with a thousand each. However even if you disintegrate his body Unicron can exist with only his head left intact and he can scheme and find ways to create an new body as evidenced in "Transformers Generation 2".

However if you're talking about the "Marvel comics - Unicron", he can take out the entire starwars galaxy solo. He actually wiped out the previous universe "even "the stuff of space itself" in the universe and leaving only nothingness and void." according to wiki. But this version of unicron is omnipotent level hence not allowed.

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