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might be a dumb question, but how does Zoom fight flying heralds?

He was allowed to fly per the OP. though he isnt undefeatable as some are suggesting. Zoom cant instantly KO SS before he sets up a forcefield and when SS does, there isnt much hope for zoom after that.


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He was allowed to fly per the OP.
so the OP just made up some power to accomodate Zoom?

We don't know how Zoom will even adjust to sudden capability of flight...to assume anything is not worth bothering.

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so the OP just made up some power to accomodate Zoom?

We don't know how Zoom will even adjust to sudden capability of flight...to assume anything is not worth bothering.

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The Flash Ran in Space on nothing. Why can't zoom? And Flash adjusted Rather easily.

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The Flash Ran in Space on nothing. Why can't zoom? And Flash adjusted Rather easily.

My guess is that, he doesn't really run fast. it's time


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My guess is that, he doesn't really run fast. it's time


Yep, he aint no normal speedsters, if he was T2 gets shit canned.

Im just curious if SS can match Zoom's time and simply punch his face in. Cuz he is just a normal (i mean insanse *******) in his own time stream right?

Anyway Zoom could win it if SS does not do something clever.

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Yep, he aint no normal speedsters, if he was T2 gets shit canned.

Im just curious if SS can match Zoom's time and simply punch his face in. Cuz he is just a normal (i mean insanse *******) in his own time stream right?

Anyway Zoom could win it if SS does not do something clever.

SS can't match it. Why? Because Zoom's timeline is ALWAYS ahead of the main timeline. SS would have to be able to affect the timeline is an incredible way to even have a chance


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SS can't match it. Why? Because Zoom's timeline is ALWAYS ahead of the main timeline. SS would have to be able to affect the timeline is an incredible way to even have a chance


I confident taht SS can time travel at will. Could be wrong, but if he can SS can travel to his current time and pawn him. If you set your self a minute or whatever ahead of other people okay your always going to be faster (according to crazy comic book logic). One would only have to travel 1 minute ahead where he would not be a threat.

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I confident taht SS can time travel at will. Could be wrong, but if he can SS can travel to his current time and pawn him. If you set your self a minute or whatever ahead of other people okay your always going to be faster (according to crazy comic book logic). One would only have to travel 1 minute ahead where he would not be a threat.

No no no! Zoom is not ahead in of the Main time line but still in the same time line.
He is in another entirely different timeline that is always ahead of the Main Time that characters like Superman, Flash, and everyone else lives in.

So you can go as fast as you want, but he can manipulate his timeline to be faster then yours so there is nothing you can do. SS would really have to be as fast a Wally was to have a chance, and that ain't happening. Not to mention, Zoom has like totally control over power using speed. A snap of his finger destroyed all the glasses in an entire city, and he punch harder then Superman. You should see the scan of him punchings Power girl.


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No no no! Zoom is not ahead in of the Main time line but still in the same time line.
He is in another entirely different timeline that is always ahead of the Main Time that characters like Superman, Flash, and everyone else lives in.

So you can go as fast as you want, but he can manipulate his timeline to be faster then yours so there is nothing you can do. SS would really have to be as fast a Wally was to have a chance, and that ain't happening. Not to mention, Zoom has like totally control over power using speed. A snap of his finger destroyed all the glasses in an entire city, and he punch harder then Superman. You should see the scan of him punchings Power girl.


SS doesnt need to physically react to Zoom. All he needs to do is mentally set up a forcefield before Zoom can knock him out. When the forcefield is up he uses an omnidirectional blast and that covers the battlefield (he is out to kill afterall). Zoom will be incinerated.

Also there isnt sufficient evidence to surmise that Zoom hits harder than superman. Wonderwomans statement is not at all enough.


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SS doesnt need to physically react to Zoom. All he needs to do is mentally set up a forcefield before Zoom can knock him out. When the forcefield is up he uses an omnidirectional blast and that covers the battlefield (he is out to kill afterall). Zoom will be incinerated.

Also there isnt sufficient evidence to surmise that Zoom hits harder than superman. Wonderwomans statement is not at all enough.

Considering WW has sparred with Superman in many occasions, and even fought with in to they point where they wanted to kill each other then I don't see why It not a good enough statement.

As for SS, I doubt Zoom would even let him move before he reaches him. For god's sake, Wally was only seeing glimpses of him. It took Flash to have the power to live and move in a tick of a second to beat him. SS isn't on that level, no matter how much you love him


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No no no! Zoom is not ahead in of the Main time line but still in the same time line.
He is in another entirely different timeline that is always ahead of the Main Time that characters like Superman, Flash, and everyone else lives in.

So you can go as fast as you want, but he can manipulate his timeline to be faster then yours so there is nothing you can do. SS would really have to be as fast a Wally was to have a chance, and that ain't happening. Not to mention, Zoom has like totally control over power using speed. A snap of his finger destroyed all the glasses in an entire city, and he punch harder then Superman. You should see the scan of him punchings Power girl.

Technically that would be a bfr, a self bfr.. I mean his in a separate timeline outside the actual battle field time..


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Technically that would be a bfr, a self bfr.. I mean his in a separate timeline outside the actual battle field time..

He is still in the battlefield


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lol.. In his own timeline, call it a diff. dimension..


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lol.. In his own timeline, call it a diff. dimension..

Yeah, but he is still visible on the battlefield big grin


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Hah.. You got me there..

Visible but is he really there? lol Just being picky is all..

But here's how i think Surfer could counter Zooms rather unique set of powers..

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...;postid=5396951

If Zoom is allowed to leave set battle field why not Surfer and from there his always a head of Zoom, that coupled with his ftl speed and reflex... Likely he could take both..


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Hah.. You got me there..

Visible but is he really there? lol Just being picky is all..

But here's how i think Surfer could counter Zooms rather unique set of powers..

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...;postid=5396951

If Zoom is allowed to leave set battle field why not Surfer and from there his always a head of Zoom, that coupled with his ftl speed and reflex... Likely he could take both..

that wont work, why? Flash could do that too under his own power, but he couldn't. Flash while moving SPL couldn't even see Zoom Properly. Then after he got like 3 power ups, he saw he Zoom travels in. He travel nowhere. He was so fast that time was still to him while he was moving. Get it? SOL can't do that


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Considering WW has sparred with Superman in many occasions, and even fought with in to they point where they wanted to kill each other then I don't see why It not a good enough statement.

As for SS, I doubt Zoom would even let him move before he reaches him. For god's sake, Wally was only seeing glimpses of him. It took Flash to have the power to live and move in a tick of a second to beat him. SS isn't on that level, no matter how much you love him


The statement alone cant matchup to supermans striking feats. Superman has also made similar statements about characters, such as guy gardener hitting harder than doomsday,hardest ive ever been hit etc. Juntai explained this to you awhile back.

Also What part of mentally set up forcefield did understand as meaning movement? Read the post again. I said that SS wouldnt need to physically react to him but isntead mentally set up a forcefield. SS has insane thought speed and he wont need to react to Zoom physically but rather would need to mentally set up a forcefield before being koed which is very possible. Once the forcefield is up its over for zoom.


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The statement alone cant matchup to supermans striking feats. Superman has also made similar statements about characters, such as guy gardener hitting harder than doomsday,hardest ive ever been hit etc. Juntai explained this to you awhile back.

Also What part of mentally set up forcefield did understand as meaning movement? Read the post again. I said that SS wouldnt need to physically react to him but isntead mentally set up a forcefield. SS has insane thought speed and he wont need to react to Zoom physically but rather would need to mentally set up a forcefield before being koed which is very possible. Once the forcefield is up its over for zoom.

And I though I already proved to you that Though has a frequency and it travels at the speed of light, however, it doesn't matter. To Zoom, he can stop himself and kill while SS is frozen
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that wont work, why? Flash could do that too under his own power, but he couldn't. Flash while moving SPL couldn't even see Zoom Properly. Then after he got like 3 power ups, he saw he Zoom travels in. He travel nowhere. He was so fast that time was still to him while he was moving. Get it? SOL can't do that

I doubt Flash could do that under his own power...

Surfer's actually standing outside of time, is able to see all time (past/present/future) as if like a slide show from beginning to end and he can calculate and choose the exact time to attack (past/present)..


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I doubt Flash could do that under his own power...

Surfer's actually standing outside of time, is able to see all time (past/present/future) as if like a slide show from beginning to end and he can calculate and choose the exact time to attack..

Flash didn't do it on his own power. There were a lot of speedster giving him all their speed

As for SS, why would that matter. He views hi timeline, and Zoom ain't there.


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