Yes, Surfer's a lot better; exist outside of time, affect all time (past/present/future). He can also accessed it through diff. means; speed or chronal energy manipulation.. Zoom's basically control forward time motion, heck he cant even control the effect its causing on time..
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Why would you say that? Because he has greater control, right?
Well, same goes for Zoom, he has control over his timeline more then anyone because he is the Omega, and he is the Alpha in that timeline
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Right but thats very diff. to just being able to run a head of time, albeit he can control it by going fast or slow. While this other you've compared with can affect all time, exist and watch time unfolding.. Big diff...
I understand what you are saying, but their powers will not affect Zoom's ability. He is the omega, and the alpha in his timeline.
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*Sigh. Thinking (in we regular humans) is an "electrochemical" process and hence cannot be faster than light. Thoughts operate by neurons interacting with ur brain. neurons have to put in in positive Sodium ions and put out negative potassium [ions as well other chemical processes which i dont care to explain have to occur. Anyhow read the full explanation here in this link if ur interested.lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action...urotransmission
or the summary here but which is based off the info in the above link http://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...10105655AALjkua
As u will see, the top speed in which these impulses are transmitted is about 119/120 metres per second. which i already showed you in this link which was the first one i posted. http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/DavidParizh.shtml
And lol i dont think anybody wants to be wrong. That doesnt change the fact that you are wrong. Therefore instead of going on about nonsense try to actually address some of the points being made.
Whats funny is that this is ultimately irrelevant. Even if we go by ur erroneous claims regarding the actual speed of thought, then it would still be retarded to say that the speed of thought in humans is the same as those of characters like SS,flash,superman etc. Unless u believe that human beings can mentally track actual lightspeed electrical signals,comprehend milleniums worth of info in milliseconds, perform calculations involving billions of variables in seconds etc. In other words, you have no case regardless of what we take the speed of thought to be.
I once again urge to try to competently counter something in my argument for surfer winning or just concede.
I didnt phrase that correctly intially.What i meant to say was that flash got to a level of speed in which was equal to the level of "perceived speed" that Zoom operating ahead of the current timeline gave him and hence could fight him evenly. This directly contradicts ur belief that no matter how fast u are u wont be aas fast as Zoom. Further, they werent frozen in time. Flash even mentions that he and Zoom have been fighting for less than a second, which indicates that time is passing since the "second" is used as a frame of reference. All he means is that time is passing very slowly while they are operating at that level of speed.
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Here is where you are wrong
Flash was still slower
Zoom can still go faster
That was easy
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Flash was on a relatively equal level even if minimally slower. Thats the point genius.
Now ur just going into the no limits fallacy. U want us to assume that zoom can just keep increasing his "perceived speeds" infinitely to levels beyond what was displayed on panel. Sorry but get such fallacious logic out of here. lol, Thats like me assuming that surfer can just amp his stats infinitely as well. Utter nonsense
Yup pointing out idiotic fallacies is no problem for me.
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Last edited by Naija boy on Nov 4th, 2009 at 02:25 AM
Didn't help him against Flash.. Also im not saying Surfer would manipulate Zooms timeline and make it enert but rather play it smart, fight a similar way, a far better way like the scan i showed then he could proceed to attack..
speed-wise, zoom >> wally + he can strike with superman-esque punches + he exists in a timeline completely divergent from 'mainstream' time [of which he has an extreme degree of control over.]
so unless surfer can manipulate timelines separate from the one he's in, there's no feasible way he could ever be on zoom's level.
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^Well imo, SS mental speed (which is greater than his already high movement speed) and forcefields together with Zooms comparatively low durability will be enough to get SS the win.
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zoom exists in a time bubble completely separate, and most importantly, ahead of, the normal timeline.
that said, surfer would quite literally have to be able to think much faster than time itself moves [advanced precognition] just to be able to think on zoom's speed level [and that's assuming zoom didn't speed up his time bubble at all.]
...and even if surfer is capable of thinking THAT fast, he still has to react THAT fast - and as far as i've seen, surfer doesn't have reaction speed >> wally [like zoom does.]
I said that already, but apparently it matters not
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He doesnt have to think on zooms level of speed, all he has to do is think fast enough to set up a forcefield before being koed. Thats what i think he can do.
Wallys perceptions while they are sped up are still regular so since Zoom was too fast for him to even see their was no way he would have been able to react to physically him. Surfer on the other hand not only has sped up perceptions but also greatly enhanced perceptions. And im not even talking about his vision (which is greatly enhanced as well). Surfers cosmic senses have alerted him to even the materialization of subatomic particles. Hence he already has the advantage over wally that he wouldnt need to actually see Zoom. Then I believe he would be able to mentally set up a forcefield (which is a much faster method of defence than physical reaction) before Zoom is able to ko him.
Once that is done, omni directional blast across battlefield which takes out Zoom.
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