Let's iron out the stips asap batdude. We can also start looking for judges we both agree on.
I am thinking that both characters are out for the kill and not holding back. Superman and Thor aren't pulling their punches whatsoever and Superman is actually going to try and kill Thor here despite it being out of character for Superman. Both of their backs are against the wall type stuff here.
If Superman is down on the ground Thor is going to keep pounding on him and won't let up. No quarter will be given from either side. They still fight in character with the mentality to kill their opponent without holding up whatsoever.
I think the time should be open ended depending on work schedules. Now that the battlezone has it's own sub forum we needn't worry about wrapping this up in 3 days or so. When we both have finished and both agree on it we give our summations and let the judges decide.
All feats should count unless they received an outside amp such as the odinforce or a sundip/amp. They are only allowed access to their own inner powers and whatever they are capable of on their own outside external forces which I mentioned earlier. No belt of strength for Thor, obviously but anything these characters can bring to the table in a normal setting not holding back is fair game.
How do you feel about the jla/avengers crossover?
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Meh, in normal tourney/battle zone type matches, we've always been allowed to control the character's actions regardless of what they would normally do in this type of situation. That way, it doesn't hinder our creative abilities to form a strategy.
As long as we have the feats to back up what we're trying to sell, it shouldn't be an issue.
That sounds fair, but I don't want this to turn into a powerset matchup where Superman uses his speed every time and Thor can "Durok" blast him every time he grabs him.
So this turns into a powerset debate? We can form strategies based on whatever they are capable of. If this is what you want or how it's normally done I am fine with it. I have never been interested to even peek into a tourney on here or anywhere else for that matter. In a sense then this isn't a majority type debate it's who ever's strategy is more plausible and gets the job done with the judges.
Do I know you? I am still thinking about it and what I thought this was going to turn into is completely different from what he wants to argue. One where we argue what's in character out of the regular ten out of ten type matchup and the other where we can develop strategies on how they win. That's what I always wanted to argue not do sme strategy based debate focusing on their best feats against his best feats.
That's a compromise because the manner in which batdude always intended to do this was completely different of what I had in mind. That's why feats are important in a tourney type scenario.
The reason I created this thread was so we could get on the same page. Right now we aren't and the more I thought about it while I was working out it really changes the debate entirely from what I was preparing for.
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batdude's no wanting a "powerset" debate, he's wanting a debate that goes by KMC's standard policies. Now if you disagree about Supes would using his speed in a standard KMC match then that's a point you can argue to the judges.
Also, I'd suggest against having the match be over when both parties are "done" as opposed to a time or post limit. Without a definate ending point for the debate you guys are going to end up going in circles.
Developing strategies on how these characters win is the whole point/fun of tourneys and battle zone matches. It's what separates this from a regular vs. forum thread, something which I'm not interested in doing.
I don't disagree that he would use his speed I just disagree he would use it every single time just like Thor doesn't use his most powerful attacks every single time. In the format he is describing to my understanding we just formulate a strategy and back it up with scans and see who's strategy is more believable to the judges.
This wouldn't last a month or anything. I was thinking more like around 1 week to 2 to finish things up and then to give our summations.
To be honest, not really. I've done my fair share of Superman/Thor debating on the vs. forum over the past 3 and a half years I've been on KMC. Not really interested in doing that here.
Come on, that's a fair compromise. The whole reason I accepted this was because I thought that's what we were arguing for in the first place. I am completely unfamiliar with this type of debating, but am more than willing to do so. Just meet me halfway. Two sided debate. I know I am going to have to show off Thor's reflexes against the barrage of speed feats you are going to post.
The only thing I was changing was Superman's mentality. He still fights in character so he will rarely use t-vo, blinding speed throughout the entire fight, etc. but will swing for the fences.
Thor will fight in character without holding back which means he will rarely use a godblast, life essence drain, but will be swinging for the fences.
The majority of the fight will be determined how these characters usually are portrayed and how they fight while not holding back.
I think two debates work perfectly as Thor and Superman have a majority type battle to see who wins the most out of 10 and then we have a strategy based debate where we show off their abilities and see who wins that way as well.
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