Yeah, that's part of what I meant, I find it hard to separate it.
Thank you for explaining it better, Robturd, my friend.
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Well, I understand that you want to leave parts of religion out it, but since you want the opinion of people they can have religious reasons for their opinions and want to explain then to them, or others might think that infidelity is somewhat influenced by religious beliefs.
But what exactly do you mean with "leave religion out of it" anyways?
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Why don't you read the post you quoted again, I think that answers the question.
You quoted my post saying ''I think religion plays a part in it''.
My post clearly states that there should be no religious discussion since I propose 'social' discussion.
Then after my post you went on to say that actually, here religion is not important because I want to talk about sociological impacts.
So I really don't know the point of bringing that to light at all, since the post never implied separation of religion, but asked that religion is kept out of sociological impact.
So you're either trolling me, or you just wanted to reply with something for the sake of replying.
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Yeah, but I don't understand that. Religion is obviously a part of the sociological discussion of the topic, it is perhaps not the main focus, nor are all the religious aspects important, but do you think you can really just separate it in this discussion?
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Yes, I know that. I am not saying that all marriage is religious. I just mean that reasons for cheating, as well as against, as well as the consequences can be strongly influenced by religious beliefs.
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there are lots of biological and social reasons why lots of people probably wouldn't pick polyamoury.
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The Bible says... nah I've never read that thing...
Infidelity in my side of the world if you are a man is a must, the more women you have, the more man you are... and if you have an extramarital relationship you are nothing less than a god.
If you are a woman you're socially pointed as a whore... but truth is whether you're taking revenge on your husband/boyfriend/wtv or you have serious and real issues... and yeah why not? you can also enjoy sex so much that you can't be satisfied with one man.
I see infidelity affecting children in any possible way, like developing a general hate for the opposite sex, for infidelity, for marriage... I know a girl who's mom was her dad's lover and she's perfectly fine, well she mustn't but apparently has no serious issues on marriage or men or social interaction... her brother on the other hand hates both mom and dad for making him live that situation... he's on drugs, has no job... the guy is lost. Which makes me wonder why 2 ppl with the same genes are affected so differently by the same situation?
An affair is only better than divorce if and only if you can live with it, otherwise you'll only be torturing yourself along with the ones you love making marriage and your life a living hell which will be undoubtedly reflected in society.
Marriage is changing slowly I think, as it should, for the best I hope. I think it's 'sanctity' should be kept, no matter what, after all is a social contract, why taking it if you're not to respect it? That would be dumb. But that's my personal opinion, it's social importance might rely on how trusted or how truth could you be, in any field. For example, right now in my country, every politician in every party is being questioned on this matter. It is obvious we can't expect them to respect our rights, demands and so on if they can't respect the simple social contract that marriage is.
I do have a further question. Do you think the social conscience of your country affects cheating rates, or is it more socially acceptable to cheat?
Men from your country, as I understand, sometimes have a negative stereotypes about cheating attached to them (and men from few other countries around, if you know what I mean).
Do you find that people are more talking about cheating nowadays, and thus it is more visible?
Do you think it varies from culture to culture or do you think that the only thing that varies is the social acceptance, but cheating is more or less (behind closed doors) on the similar level everywhere?
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If you are having urges to cheat or stray, confront your loved one and tell them this.
Tell them that the honesty came first and that you either want to work things out so that you no longer wish to stray, or end it and THEN find someone else.
I'd say that's ideal, but ultimately some things don't work out ideally and you do what you can. Not all cheating is malicious, it can suck, but it can also be a get-out clause. Too many variables and there are ways to avoid it. Way too many variables though.
As for what Paola said; marriage has no sanctity. Marriage isn't a special ceremony anymore, if it ever was. It's one of the most outdated practices in the modern world. Unless there's a specific reason or personal preference, don't do it. It's certainly not NEEDED.
Despite what Madison Ave says, life is not a party where everyone can be a celebrity. Our expectations have become increasingly unrealistic. Marriage requires sacrifice to work, putting the other person first, not always yourself. Affairs often address disappointments grounded in fantasy.
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I think the legal definition of marriage should be abolished. Nobody should be able to legally marry.
If someone wants to consider themself married, fine. If they want their religion to view them as married then that's good too.
But the legal system shouldn't get involved here at all.
And as for why people stray, I think deep down it has to do with evolutional/reproductive reasons. one might THINK they are doing it for emotional fufillment, but in the end sex is all about reproduction. The more sex partners a man has the more offspring he can potentially produce. The more a woman has the better chance she can find a mate with superior genes.
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I'm being serious here. Marriage is not about sex... it is something deeper. Thinking that extra-marital sex violates marriage is imo insulting to the entire concept of marriage, basically saying sex is the be all and end all of a relationship.
Cheating is bad because it is a violation of trust. But if both parties are okay with it, then extra-marital sex is completely fine. Dissociating sex from marriage will allow people to see beyond their simple urges and understand each other on a deeper level.
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