That was a one time thing as it was too irresistable to resist.
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The ancient Great Holocron, Drallig had an entry on the seven lightsaber forms. It was rediscovered in 40 ABY and left in Tionne Solusar's care at the Ossus Library. Nowhere near long enough for anyone to gain intricate knowledge of the styles.
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One of those years was during the war, and the other two and a half are NOT enough. If it was then the NJO are children of the gods, cousins of Hercules--and nothing less. Not to mention we're now delving in to speculation.
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Mark McGwire was stronger than ANH Vader. He could have learned how to fight with a lightsaber in just a few minutes, and then he would have overpowered Dooku.
No shit, Mark McGwire put a dent in the Sun Crusher using a porcelain twig.
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What are we speculating on? Cin Drallig stated that it would take the average Jedi about ten years to master form six. Yeah, its not the same form, but if a form that combines elements of all the others can be mastered in ten years, two and a half should be more than enough time to gain at least a basic understanding. Anyway, we are getting a little off topic I think.
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We're speculating because we don't actually know who's been studying what out of the Holocron. I'd actually be pretty amazed if Kyle Katarn specifically studied Makashi AT ALL, nevermind for two and a half years.
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It's quite possible that formal knowledge of the seven forms died with Order 66. Battlemasters, btw, (according to the Wizards of the Coast entry in the Jedi Academy Miniatures) are the most skilled swordsmen in the Order. Drallig and Katarn are specifically mentioned, though Dooku was "the Temple's most agile instructor" (LoE).
We know that it did not. As stated a few posts above, they were rediscovered in 40 ABY. I also have a really hard time taking seriously any statement that states Drallig as more skilled than Yoda or Mace and Katarn as more skilled than Luke. The claim is void.
I think its obvious he did, as, like I said, its not the kind of thing the battlemaster would just leave alone.
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Why? Technical skill doesn't equate to most proficient, or most capable. Vader was far more technically skilled than Luke, but Luke bested him. We've been over all that before when talking about Anoon, too. So it's not void just because you don't like it. Are you really going to say that Anakin was more technically skilled that Dooku???? And who got pwned there? Exactly... technical skill does not automatically earn you a victory.
Formal knowledge of the seven forms as regards the actual disciplines. Modern researchers are aware of the infamous Greek Fire; that doesn't mean we can replicate it. The fact that Skywalker's new Jedi Order is now aware that there were seven forms of lightsaber combat does not mean that any of them are Masters of them.
Whoa.
I'm not sure if anyone's told you, Glentract, but it really doesn't matter what statements you like and which you don't; if they're canon, they apply. I realize cherrypicking was a common fixture amongst Janus and co., but I thought you would have outgrown that.
Anoon Bondara, who is the embodiment of a random ass Jedi, possesses skills with a blade that rival any of the eminent members of the Jedi High Council during the PT.
Technical skill, as Darth Subjekt just mentioned, is an area you're not considering, and it's an area in which the likes of Yoda, Windu, and even Luke Skywalker can be outstripped.
You have offered nothing as to why the statement should be void other than your personal opinion. And given your entire history with Marka Ragnos (I recall a fanfiction of yours where he solos most of his peers and rivals without breaking a sweat), your word alone isn't something any of us is going to consider.
Fair enough. I admit I didn't consider that when reading the 'skill.'
I'm not saying that they mastered them the forms. I am saying though that they had three and a half years so far to become familiar with them. It's more than enough time to understand the basics, even though, yes, it wouldn't yet be mastered. However, lets say you're right, then it only goes to support my argument that Dooku is superior to Katarn.
Seriously though, a work of fanfiction from several years ago is pretty dumb to go by. Weak sauce, Gideon.
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The whole point of that example was to show you that no one's opinion of a statement -- not even yours -- is relevant to a debate. The statement is canon, therefore, short of an obvious and irrevocable contradiction, it remains canon.
As for the rest, I don't disagree with you that Dooku is superior to Katarn. He surely is overall.
That's ridiculous. The whole reason this is fun is to interpret the stories and figure out who is more powerful through logic. If a statement is wack, given that Lucas has stated that there is no official "power scale," it should be ignored if there is reasonable argument against it.
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