I've already responded to a huge majority of the above multiple times already. Stop going around in circles are posting the same arguments over and over again:
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WTF, now we're taking into account every person, species that ever existed? LoL. In that case, ST has millions of years too, there was an episode in STNG, which explained how one older (humanoid) race seeded billions of worlds throughout the universe.
This is stupid though, to include everything that ever was.
Where? When? Also, both of us are regularly bringing up technology from multiple different points in SW/ST history, so are you all of the sudden changing this?
I stated it:
__________________ Introduce a little government. Upset the established gangs, and everything becomes order...
Democracy is the very definition of awesome.
Indeed. I believe the Dyson's sphere in "Relics" was supposed to be ancient. The technology to build it was ridiculously far more advanced than anything SW has to offer.
To build a structure that could entirely surround a star at a large enough distance for life to exist on its inner surface. Enough of a surface area to hold quadrillions of life forms and the equivalent of 250 million earth sized planets.
This is all of the universes in their entire history.
Who wins?"
What do we do about species like the Q then? As they evolved into omnipotence. We would have to include ever single step in their history up until they became omnipotent. That second-to-last step (or 3rd) which would be allowed here, would likely yield a species powerful enough to destroy everything else in both ST and SW combined, yet still not omnipotent.
See, further proof you need to think deeper before you make Vs threads and you need to educate yourself on ST.
As I said in a quote in the last page, what is actually shown is used. The Q in their steps of evolution are almost completely unknown and never shown.
We may use:
All races, beings and tech that is shown throughout its history, but no alternate timelines.
You really haven't made that much of a contribution to this argument.
Please explain the fact that an Aclamator is millions of times more powerful than the Enterprise D.
I'm waiting.
__________________ Introduce a little government. Upset the established gangs, and everything becomes order...
Democracy is the very definition of awesome.
It'd be illogical to assume the Q went from stone-age chimps to near-Gods, with no steps in between. Then of course, if you knew anything of ST, you'd know that Q's task was to study the human race, because the Q where once like the human race (see early comment about the ancient species who seeded the universe), but they evolved into their omnipotence over millions of years. Q also stated that the human race would [likely] eventually end up as the Q.
Jaden has done an excellent job obliterating every single pro-SW point here, he's also been exceedingly patient with you. I add when I can.
Jaden covered that already with you about 5 times now. You're comparing a warship vs a science-vessel and slyly trying to impose that the Enterprise D is the height that all of ST has to offer. Both are sad attempts to Force (haha) a win.
But their evolution is not shown explicitly, so we can't just speculate their levels.
Actually, often times when he quotes my posts he literally IGNORES (doesn't even quote) large portions of them.
For example: what stops SW from using the Star Forge to create a fleet of galaxy guns and then use it to destroy every major planet in ST? Even if they manage to cloak the planets, SW will be able to see supply ships and such coming in and out of invisible places (since they will need supplies and such at some point), and then proceed to fire at those locations.
About the Aclamator vs Enterprise:
Are you saying that a transport/assault ship from ST would also be millions of times more powerful than the Enterprise?
And a science vessel should not be millions of times less durable than an outdated transport ship if ST tech was, as Jaden claims, far superior to SW's. Heck, even if tech is equal, a science vessel is not millions of times less durable. A car (although not a science vessel, my point is the same) is not millions of times less durable than a military humvee.
Besides, Jaden claimed that the Enterprise would actually beat a star destroyer...
And the Enterprise has shown to stand up to military vessels from ST, has it not?
And in a ground engagement, SW would absolutely destroy ST, and since SW planetary shields have withstood days/weeks of bombardment from star destroyers, in order to invade a SW planet ST would have to land an invasion force, which would get slaughtered.
__________________ Introduce a little government. Upset the established gangs, and everything becomes order...
Democracy is the very definition of awesome.
Last edited by Hewhoknowsall on Nov 12th, 2009 at 10:54 PM
SW communications is superior, 100 light years to galactic vs 22 light years
__________________ Introduce a little government. Upset the established gangs, and everything becomes order...
Democracy is the very definition of awesome.
LoL, you don't actually read everything; just skim through. I'll make it simpler.
-Q where once like the human race.
-Q evolved over millions of years into near-gods.
Ergo, that is both a lot of people,tech and power; this is just one race in ST. You really ****ed up doing the "entire history" angle, as ST stomps even harder. Though the Borg could likely do it.
No, Jaden has. You're also ignoring that even the Enterprise-D, a sci-vessel can fire hundreds of times further than a super-massive warship from SW. Not getting hit is a great advantage.
BUT IT WAS NEVER SHOWN! We never see the Q in their earlier forms of evolution, so they aren't in.
And you just ignored my entire argument. Please quote it AND RESPOND TO MY STATEMENTS!
For example:
Is an outdated assault-transport ship in ST millions of times more powerful than the Enterprise like an outdated assault-transport ship from SW is?
The Federation is demilitarized yes, but that shouldn't decrease their communication ability.
__________________ Introduce a little government. Upset the established gangs, and everything becomes order...
Democracy is the very definition of awesome.
I see, you'll include everything in SW, blindly, yet cherry-pick shit out of ST because it further destroys your argument. Good one, champ, but you really stuck your foot up your ass with this "entire history" nonsense. Should have just kept in movies/shows.
Again, this is one ship from one species. Also, in ST, superbly powerful technology can be overcome, by exploiting frequencies, modulations and such, this is something ST does, improvises on the fly. This is often shown in the shows/movies. Jaden also has shown you tech/weapons that nullifies shields and armour.
Read up on Subspace communications in ST. Instant contact across the galaxy.
Edit: Better yet, educate yourself on ST and then come debate. The movies, TNG, DS9 and Voyager are all loaded with info.
...you still haven't actually responded to the majority of my arguments.
I mean quoting parts of them and then responding to each part, like I would do w/Jaden.
Not ignoring almost everything I say and nick picking on random points.
And what have I cherry picked out of ST? Not allowing the evolutionary forms of Q which have NEVER been shown or explicitly described? What are we to do, speculate and make up how powerful the Q were/how quickly they evolved? What if the Q used mechs? What if at some point they had super hydro acid nuclear array missiles? What if they had spears that could be thrown that travel through space time and impale an enemy target from lightyears away, and they produced exactly 5 of these as super assasination weapons but they were destroyed by the ancestor of Q when he used a bow and arrow to destroy the control button when he was 25 years old? What if, what if?
What do you mean "STOP" these weapons? Shields can stop most of them, those that warp space time and that are solar system destroyers SW can't STOP them, but ST can't STOP the Sun Crusher either, so what's your point?
__________________ Introduce a little government. Upset the established gangs, and everything becomes order...
Democracy is the very definition of awesome.
Last edited by Hewhoknowsall on Nov 12th, 2009 at 11:19 PM
Now you're just bashing. You still haven't responded to any of my posts.
And you still ignore the thread rules, as the entire history of Species 8472 is not shown nor described.
I've disproven every "argument" that you've thrown, and you have yet to respond to any of mine.
Stop acting like as if you're winning this debate. You are losing and have yet to present a single rational piece of valid evidence.
__________________ Introduce a little government. Upset the established gangs, and everything becomes order...
Democracy is the very definition of awesome.
Last edited by Hewhoknowsall on Nov 12th, 2009 at 11:27 PM
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