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AthenasTrgrFngr
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He's an anti-hero at best, Vader was never able to forget who he once was, and conspired to overthrow the evil Emperor, as seen when attempting to persuade Luke to aid him in doing so, and he redeemed himself at the end of Return of the Jedi.

Merciless? Is that why he totally killed Luke in ESB when he easily could have done so? Vader is far from merciless, and by his own words, Sidious is far more so,"The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am."

Relentless? See above.

Intelligent? Is that why he was so effortlessly manipulated by Sidious? Who as should be noted is far more intelligent than Vader?

Powerful? Granted, but Sidious was even more-so.

Intimidating? Physically, yes, but even Vader feared the wrath of the Emperor, which is why he wanted Luke's aid in defeating him.

Mysterious? Well, he was in IV-VI I guess, but the prequel series kind of took away any mystery to his character, Sidious on the other hand, is still a very mysterious character, at least movie-wise.

Vader may be more involved in the plot, yeah, but that is because he is Sidious' dragon, the villain's right-hand man to get shit done when Sidious himself cannot be bothered to do so himself. By your own suggested criteria for villainy, Sidious comes out on top.

I am not disrespecting Vader, merely pointing out he is not a villain.


you dont understand his motives it seems.

vader wanted luke at his side to overthrow the emperor because he wanted to rule the galaxy. he didnt want to kill him because he was evil. the only reason he didnt kill luke in esb is because he wanted him alive to be his pupil. when he said that there was no conflict within him he was actually telling the truth and didnt have any trace of good in him until the end of rotj. according to lucas vader was completely immersed in the dark side and the ways of the sith up until rotj. just because he knew that what he was doing was wrong didnt mean he didnt want to do it vaders responsible for the murder of thousands and kills his own soldiers if they displease him as seen in esb. hes definitely a villain.


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Vader rulz


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Zack Fair
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He may not be the #1 villain in the saga, but he is still a bad guy. He had a change of hearts in the end but that doesn't take away from all the evil shit he did before.

You want to parade all over Sidious's dick go to his respect thread.

Meanwhile...

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."


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darthchucky
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I always loved him. His voice. How he chokes people or force chokes. His breathing. And especially his qoutes:
"It would be honored if you would join us."
The timeless = "I am your father!"
my favorite = "I find your lack of faith disturbing"
I can't name em all. there's so much.

This is a sith we will all love forever.

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