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Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
The Force.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Can't do all you think it can.

This:

"Pinhead is highly resistant to damage and direct assault, being able to resist both gunshots and futuristic energy weapons. His magic is also used for creating objects out of thin air, teleporting, creating explosions at distances and deceiving opponents with illusions. Pinhead is also familiar with the Occult and magic, with an ability to read minds. He is capable of creating other cenobites from both living and dead victims."

Is greater than lifting/pushing a few objects and Force-choking.

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Originally posted by Robtard
You might have wanted to keep reading:

"Vader shook the entire place, not multiple small objects with pinpoint precision at the same time."

There's also the fact that he did this in a state of extreme duress over Padme dying. He's never done it elsewhere.

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Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
The Force covers a lot more than that and you know it.

Pinhead was outwitted by a single human being and 20 person crew on a spaceship. Darth Vader is the second in command of a miltary of probably trillions of beings. As dumb as stormtroopers are, there's millions of them on Vader's ship alone. They would provide cannon fodder while Vader closes the puzzle box. Shouldn't be too hard for him since he's a tactical genius or close to it.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Can't do all you think it can.

This:

"Pinhead is highly resistant to damage and direct assault, being able to resist both gunshots and futuristic energy weapons. His magic is also used for creating objects out of thin air, teleporting, creating explosions at distances and deceiving opponents with illusions. Pinhead is also familiar with the Occult and magic, with an ability to read minds. He is capable of creating other cenobites from both living and dead victims."

Is greater than lifting/pushing a few objects and Force-choking.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Not in regards to Vader in the movies. I'm not discounting his personal Force-amped abilities either; they're just not netting him a win against Pinhead though.

Luckily for Pinhead, he can read minds and teleport anywhere he wishes, right in front of Vader, if need be.

Is Vader also a genius in the abstract? Because being able to plan a battle isn't going to help him piece the box together. Eepecially with Pinhead tearing him apart.

Edit: there also isn't "millions" of Stormtroopers onboard, looking online, the crew compliment is under 300k, this includes all personal. Pinhead would just tear through them though, or move on by, as he can take laser-fire without a problem.

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Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Oh, I'm saying that it's a curbstomp for either involved. Pinhead would certainly get a few wins in if this was an "Out of 10" contest. He can teleport, but he has to know exactly where the place is, otherwise he could have just teleported onto Paul Merchant's ship(The guy in the fourth movie who beat Pinhead). Vader's enhanced reflexes and speed would certainly help, as would all the stormtroopers flanking Pinhead.

I doubt that Vader would just rush into battle, especially when he can also read people's minds and would know who Pinhead was. He also has precognition, and would know what was up before Pinhead had a chance to react.

Pinhead's TK is good, and is possibly equal to Vader's or superior, but we have never seen him dealing with multiple beings at the same time. The bar scene doesn't count because most of them were emo druggies or were just average people presumably not trained in any military tactics or tactics in general.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Those Stormtroopers would be useless, as they can't hurt Pinhead. He can also turn them into Cenobites, if he so wishes.

Vader is slow as shit in the films, he's not this agile jungle-cat you imagine.

Vader can't read minds in the movies. He can sense the feelings of other Force-users. Pinhead isn't one, he isn't even technically alive.

Vader and the troopers have nothing on Pinhead, just accept it; it doesn't mean Star Wars sucks.

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Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
The Stormtroopers aren't morons, they just can't shoot straight, perhaps due to Luke's Jedi abilities unconsciously mind screwing them. Pinhead would likely just melt their armor instead of taking the time to torture them with chains. Even if he did, he has TONS of Stormtroopers to go through before he's reaching Vader, who by that time may well have solved the puzzle box. And as I said, Pinhead was mindscrewed by Kirsty in the second film by appealing to his human side. Vader could do the same thing.

Vader was only slow because he wasn't trying to kill Luke. Anakin was moving at peak human/borderline superhuman speed. Vader would be slower, but still agile as all hell with his Jedi training.

Vader can sense peoples thoughts. He mind read Luke in ROTJ on the Death Star II.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, stop pulling nonsense out of your ass, Luke did no such thing. It's also not a matter of their aim, their guns won't hurt Pinhead to begin with, as per his powers.

Pinhead can create minions from the troopers, as they get weaker in numbers, he gets stronger. Though it doesn't matter, as per above, they can't hurt him to begin with.

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Originally posted by Robtard
No, Vader (in suit) is slow in the movies, he's a lumbering mass. Just accept this fact.

Pinhead isn't a person, so that's a double no. I'm pretty sure it was that homo-erotic sensing of feelings, from one Force-user to another, in ROTJ.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Pinhead appears when the box is opened, so Pinhead is where the box is, ie VADER DOES NOT HAVE IT. If Vader wants to try and solve the puzzle, he has to get through Pinhead first; he's not doing that.

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Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Haha, I remember this. To be honest, I wasn't being serious with my Vader fanboyism. Pinhead stomps.

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Originally posted by Eon Blue
So you just did that to waste your own time?

Pinhead wins.