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Originally posted by InfernoJG95
Dam why does Borg always got to be a part in these things what about Q huh well star wars has chuck Norris let's see the Borg assimilate him huh

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The Empire's scale might prove the largest challenge for the Borg. In a straight military confrontation with all the Cubes vs all the Star Destroyers the Borg would probably win.

Remember that the Borg are stated to be "thousands of centuries" old. Its more or less assumed they originated within the Milky Way, specifically the Delta Quadrant. Given that it has taken them so long to assimilate only a small portion of the Galaxy (they haven't even completely subjugated their home Quadrant) I think its ludicrous to say they could completely dominate the Empire.

They work slowly for the most part and someone like Palpatine would be able to devise a plan to defeat the Borg before the Empire would get overrun.


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Dam why does Borg always got to be a part in these things what about Q huh well star wars has chuck Norris let's see the Borg assimilate him huh


if the borg manages to assimilate chuck norris then they win 100%.

CHUCK NORRIS DRONE soloes the empire. LOL

forget that, CHUCK NORRIS DRONE soloes the star wars universe. ROTFL !!!

However the borg collective can't assimilate Chuck Norris, NOBODY assimilates the chuck norris. LOL

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The Borg,, next question

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The Empire's scale might prove the largest challenge for the Borg. In a straight military confrontation with all the Cubes vs all the Star Destroyers the Borg would probably win.

Remember that the Borg are stated to be "thousands of centuries" old. Its more or less assumed they originated within the Milky Way, specifically the Delta Quadrant. Given that it has taken them so long to assimilate only a small portion of the Galaxy (they haven't even completely subjugated their home Quadrant) I think its ludicrous to say they could completely dominate the Empire.

They work slowly for the most part and someone like Palpatine would be able to devise a plan to defeat the Borg before the Empire would get overrun.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Delta Quadrant is home to many species even more technologically advanced than the Federation. Such species had superior cloaking, ridiculously fast star travel, and even temporal manipulation technology, which slowed the Borg down considerably. As for the species they haven't subjugated yet, the Borg simply don't consider them worth assimilating. Remember, the Borg goal is not to assimilate the entire galaxy, but to strategically add superior races to their collective.

The Empire's large number of planets really wouldn't be an asset at all. If the Borg wanted a full scale invasion (thousands of Cubes dedicated to an assault), the Empire would fall pretty quickly as they don't have the technological defenses of the species that have successfully evaded the Borg in the Delta Quadrant. Its likely the Borg would go straight for Coruscant and work their way out from there. No technology thus far demonstrated in the canon SW universe suggests that the Empire could repel an invasion of that magnitude, especially when the capital planet appears to be unshielded (ref. Revenge of the Sith).


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The Empire with ease.


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Re: Re: The Borg VS The Empire

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The Borg with their millions of cubes, billions of drones and adaptive technology.



You mean billions of cubes and trillons and trillions of drones... lol


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All the Emperor has to do is conjure up a worm hole, and bye bye Borgie.


You're right: no starship has ever faced a blackhole and lived to tell that tale. Wait, they have: a couple of times in TOS and several times in TNG. erm

And, as my homie indicates, they can just close it with a beam like they did in TNG.


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All the Emperor has to do is conjure up a worm hole, and bye bye Borgie.



i don;t think there are worm holes in the star wars universe..

besides palpatine prolly don't even know how to


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I'd like to breathe fresh air in this debate.

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The Empire's large number of planets really wouldn't be an asset at all.


Right, because logistical and industrial capacity means nothing at all in a war.

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If the Borg wanted a full scale invasion (thousands of Cubes dedicated to an assault), the Empire would fall pretty quickly as they don't have the technological defenses of the species that have successfully evaded the Borg in the Delta Quadrant.


The Borg couldn't even successfully invade the Federation. What makes you think they can successfully invade a Type III civilisation that has most of the galaxy's resources under its control?

The Empire's firepower is of far greater magnitude than the Federation, and even they could still damage Borg ships.

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Its likely the Borg would go straight for Coruscant and work their way out from there.


Yeah, like an armada isn't going to wait for them. They're just going to sit there and let them go to the Empire's homeworld, and not deploy things like Interdictor cruisers. That is assuming the Borg can actually get there in the first place.

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No technology thus far demonstrated in the canon SW universe suggests that the Empire could repel an invasion of that magnitude, especially when the capital planet appears to be unshielded (ref. Revenge of the Sith).


Planetary shields exist in the SW universe. Read the Thrawn trilogy, or the NJO saga, or the X-wing books where the Rebel Alliance disable them. And before you say "they're not canon", EU books are regarded as canon per official policy unless contradicted by a higher source (the movies). But if you want a source from the movies, I would like to point to you moments before Alderraan is destroyed by the Death Star. You can clearly see a planetary shield absorbing a fraction of the blast before the planet is destroyed. Also, in TESB, Hoth had a planetary shield generator to prevent the Imperial fleet from bombarding the Rebel base.

Are you saying the most important planet in the galaxy, the homeworld of the Old Republic/Empire does not have one of these? Yet a core planet does? Even a backwater planet, where planetary shielding was set up at a pinch? And I can give you another canonical source for something similar - the DS II. It is the size of a small moon yet the Empire had the technology to create a shield around it that is impenetrable to fleet bombardment.

Right, so the Borg reach Coruscant - and get utterly wiped out by the thousands of defensive turrets, and the mass of military ships waiting for them. Considering how poor Borg tactics are time and time again (ie. fleet manoeuvres), they will be massacred. And even if the Borg somehow wipe out all these ships and defensive installations, how are they going to get through the planetary shielding?

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You mean billions of cubes and trillons and trillions of drones... lol


Source? Did you just make that number up?

The Borg don't even control their entire quadrant.

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From a blast from a heavy turbolaser.



I remember the falcon taking a hit from a turbolaser and doing just fine.

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Source? Did you just make that number up?

The Borg don't even control their entire quadrant.


Pretty sure they mentioned it in Voyager at some point.


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Pretty sure they mentioned it in Voyager at some point.


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So the Borg is facing an enemy that controls the better part of a galaxy and two dwarf galaxies. The enemy has countless troops consisting primarily of indoctrinated volunteers and a virtually endless number of clones. The enemy lags behind in medical technology and shielding but is capable of using incredibly powerful exotic energy weapons and uses a method of propulsion that makes their ships many hundreds of thousands of times faster and more maneuverable than the Borg without the aid of a wormhole generating, cross-galactic network. Many of the ships also dwarf the largest cubes. Said enemy also exists within an area of space bound by a mystical energy field that its two cult-rulers can manipulate with ease, giving them the ability to physically manipulate star ships and create cosmic storms with a gesture....


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I'd like to breathe fresh air in this debate.



Right, because logistical and industrial capacity means nothing at all in a war.



The Borg couldn't even successfully invade the Federation. What makes you think they can successfully invade a Type III civilisation that has most of the galaxy's resources under its control?

The Empire's firepower is of far greater magnitude than the Federation, and even they could still damage Borg ships.



Yeah, like an armada isn't going to wait for them. They're just going to sit there and let them go to the Empire's homeworld, and not deploy things like Interdictor cruisers. That is assuming the Borg can actually get there in the first place.



Planetary shields exist in the SW universe. Read the Thrawn trilogy, or the NJO saga, or the X-wing books where the Rebel Alliance disable them. And before you say "they're not canon", EU books are regarded as canon per official policy unless contradicted by a higher source (the movies). But if you want a source from the movies, I would like to point to you moments before Alderraan is destroyed by the Death Star. You can clearly see a planetary shield absorbing a fraction of the blast before the planet is destroyed. Also, in TESB, Hoth had a planetary shield generator to prevent the Imperial fleet from bombarding the Rebel base.

Are you saying the most important planet in the galaxy, the homeworld of the Old Republic/Empire does not have one of these? Yet a core planet does? Even a backwater planet, where planetary shielding was set up at a pinch? And I can give you another canonical source for something similar - the DS II. It is the size of a small moon yet the Empire had the technology to create a shield around it that is impenetrable to fleet bombardment.

Right, so the Borg reach Coruscant - and get utterly wiped out by the thousands of defensive turrets, and the mass of military ships waiting for them. Considering how poor Borg tactics are time and time again (ie. fleet manoeuvres), they will be massacred. And even if the Borg somehow wipe out all these ships and defensive installations, how are they going to get through the planetary shielding?


There's nothing fresh about any of your arguments. In DS9 the starfleet vessel USS defiant, which is a relatively weak ship in Trek terms, was stated to be able to turn a planet to a cinder in minutes. something it takes many Star Destroyers hours or even days to do when enacting a Base Delta Zero protocol. A small fleet of Romulan ships took but a few seconds to destroy half a planet in an attempt to kill the Dominion leaders.

The Borg are vastly more powerful. And even if all else fails they can just do what they did in First Contact and time travel to when the SW galaxy was weak as piss and assimilate them all.


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Don't even have to destroy planets, a garden variety warship in Star Trek can in less than a minute destroy the atmosphere of a planet thereby making it uninhabitable and killing [all] life.

Happened in The Chase, ST:TNG.


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Don't even have to destroy planets, a garden variety warship in Star Trek can in less than a minute destroy the atmosphere of a planet thereby making it uninhabitable and killing [all] life.

Happened in The Chase, ST:TNG.


To add, Riker commented that the Enterprise D was enough to vaporize all the way through the entire crust of a planet with only a few hours of effort.


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My moneys on the Borg.

Star Wars has all that fodder. And they will all be assimilated.


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This thread needs an update.


The Borg are depicted in a much rawer state in Enterprise than the other shows. They start from, literally, dead bodies and become destruction machines by the end of the episode. They just have to inject their nano-bots into the circuitry and it immediately starts to assimilate the entire ship. The nanobots start creating, quickly, machines, circtuits, and so forth that the Borg will use to upgrade the ships it assimilates.


In the episode where the Borg are shown in Enterprise, they are found, dead, broken, and frozen. As they thaw out, the nanobots slowly begin to repair and revive the drones. They drones come alive and assimilate an old ship that is capable of a max warp speed of 1.5. By the end of the episode, the ship has been upgraded to sustain a warp faster than warp 5. It increased in mass, as well (3%). So, somewhere, they can collect matter and improve that ship. You get that advantage when you have energy to matter and matter to energy converters (transporters and replicators).

Transporting through shields can be done by the Borg, as well. One drone is all it takes to destroy a Death Star or any Empire ship.


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