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Originally posted by darthgoober
Give me Surfer's powers and I'd stomp Supes any day of the weak and twice on Sunday...

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure that works too. Why don't you start showing all these awesome and powerful heralds Surfer has beaten straight up. I will show one better for every one of them.

And if you're going by powersets, speed kills. Literally in this case.

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Originally posted by Knife
Quite a delusional post.... The powers are not real for any comic character.

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Originally posted by Knife
Quite a delusional post.... The powers are not real for any comic character.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
You fail to grasp his point, bro.

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Originally posted by Knife
The guy believes if he had Surfers power he would beat Superman.

So he believes if he has the power of a make believe character, he could defeat another make believe character in the real world.

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No, I'm saying that this is Surfer's MO and Surfer is easily tough enough to fight him physically until he can discover how to exploit him. Superman has no actual defense against this except for to occupy him. Why can't you just see that in this case, the CLEAR advantage happens to go to Surfer? Most other experts here on both sides believe the same. Your obsession tells you that Superman can and must be EVERYBODY EVERY TIME regardless of the conditions.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
He believes that surfers powers are far superior to Superman's. It's irrefutably true. We come to this site to argue fictional characters so if you don't grasp that then you should leave, real world boy.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it is not. And Superman has control of his own energies, so yes he has defense against it.

Just like Captain Marvel has a magical advantage against him and unlike surfer is actually damn close to him in strength.

Superman still wins against him in a fight.

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Originally posted by Surtur
Dude I seriously don't see why you just don't make your own Superman topic, post all your best feats, and let people judge his power level once and for all? Wouldn't this save time?



But..what? The post you quoted wasn't saying the powers are real. They were saying if they had access to a similar powerset they'd beat Superman. You can disagree of course, but it's not really delusional. The person didn't say they thought Silver Surfer was a real person. At its core what we do here is theorize who could defeat who based on their performance in comics. You can certainly talk about what you'd do with a certain powerset, as it's all hypothetical anyways.

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yes, it is his MO when the opportunity presents itself. Second, Superman HAS BEEN DRAINED, end of story. If he had control, then are you saying he LET others drain him? Of cours not, the very though of that is ****ing stupid. Of course you ended you statement with rhetoric about Surfer strength level. Yeah, most non Superfanboys say Surfer wins so enjoy being an outlier.

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Originally posted by abhilegend


Its not. But at this point you're just ranting at how Superman's feats don't apply.

Good luck with that.

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Say what? Obviously you are confused. I wasn't talking about Superman's feats at the moment, but since you brought it up, feats of strength and speed outside of combat feats are just......feats. What you do is reference non-combat feats when making arguments as to why Superman would win a fight. You don't want to use actual combat threads because it would show that Superman doesn't perform to the level that his space cheese feats would suggest. So continue to hide behind non combat feats, I'll keep flushing you out. Tell me about him holding a star and seeing lighting in slow motion and I'll tell you how he mysteriously lost those powers levels in 95% of his fights.

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Originally posted by abhilegend


You want to use combat feats? Against Superman?

Alright. Let's do it. What kind of combat feat do you want? Against heralds? Skyfathers? Abstracts?

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No matter how hard you try, you can't twist my words because I won't let you. I want you to stop using space cheese feats to support how Superman would do in a given fight.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
And when have I used space cheese feats to support Superman instead of y'know combat feats?

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
What do you mean when? All the time is when. Do you not talk about how Superman would avoid a given attack and reference moving faster than light? Did you forget all the overcoming a "time stop" crap a couple of days ago? I tell you what, I'll tell you the next time you do it so you can be duely aware of your actions.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Overcoming a time stop in a fight is space cheese now?

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No matter how hard you try, you can't twist my words because I won't let you. I want you to stop using space cheese feats to support how Superman would do in a given fight.

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Beside the fact that he didn't overcome a time stop (sticking with that lie, huh?), the fact that you are using that speed feat to suggest he operates at that speed all or most of the time is a fallacy. So yes, it's a space cheese feat that isn't the norm.