Your not debating a Fanboy, I don’t even like Blond F0cker to begin with. They can kill him off next issue, and my thoughts will be. "Maybe now would be a good chance to bring Genis back".
He has one really high feat, fantastic all top tiers are prone to have one. We are not going to base a fight off one feat. That so much I can agree on. Yet you cant deny his power set simply because he does not produce the same feat every other issue.
And really how often have do you read comics? Thor, and Sentry are not the only characters prone to the have high/low moments. If you actually read v2 Thor and Avengers, you will come to realize that Avengers Thor is clearly not portrayed as powerful as in his own series.
A plot device keeps him from acting as powerful, no different Sentry.
It seems as if you want to continue this debate. To be honest, you attacked one quote I said and from there, you open it to a different debate. But it seems as if you are tempted to do so
You are correct, I don't know read any Sentry, well at least no his past. Same goes with Thor. I didn't read them. I only just started to read comics because my job is boring as hell. All I do is just stand there from 4pm to 12am and wait, and don't let me get started with how stupid the rules in my school are. So I only started ready them. About a year ago(for DC) and less for Marvel.
With that said, my knowledge is limited, but it's offers a good insight on the characters. If you view Sentry as a high tier, or better yet, Superman's, Thor's, GLs, and SS level, then go ahead. I don't mind. I could make it an argument and we can start a new debate, but that's not what this argument is about. It's about what Tkitna said in a previous thread, and how he is completely saying something different in order to suit his character. You trying to compare Thor's rather weird shows doesn't weaken what I said, in fact, it has nothing to do with what I said. I don't see how it it does.
As for Sentry, you seem to try and compare his failed attempts at being a consistent character with Thor, but it's not comparable. At least not to me. Do you really think Sentry is at the same level as he was portrayed in DA12? Is Thor the same level as he usually is portrayed? Perhaps not, but keep this is mind, it's not a huge drop compared to what happened to Sentry.
Well I don't know about being leagues away.
In supe v sent I said in a regular knc fight superman gets a tecnical knockout... However it would be impossible for superman to defeat a sentry who can bring himself back from matter manipulation destruction like by Morgan and by mm
I truly think the argument was originally that superman was the one who was leagues above sentry for years despite what he's done and now the recent comics having verified the type o powers he has has moved sentry up to th possible high heralds.... Whereas some sounded off as though he was a low herald at best.
As to the scans... The strongest hero is Aleta distracted or is always bfred to allow the dark avengers a chance to fight...
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
I'm not currently a sentry fan either.... But I respect the powerset.
And the problem is that in a knc fight we take a charcter at their best... Which for sentry is bringing himself back to life... Fighting the enemies that defeated entire teams...
Overloading absorbing man when he absorbed the power of Thor.. Quasar etc
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
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Is it just me or is everyone in the mood to argue tonight besides me?
No, it's not BS, DS, or anything other shit. It's what the writers do. Take a long at Superman. Yeah, he isn't written on the EXACT same level as every writer. Sure, he is stronger with some authors like Loeb(I think) who wrote OWAW, and the one writing WONK, but it's not the same to what's happening to Sentry. One minute, he can take on a being considered much stronger then HH easily. Without evening breaking a sweat. This puts him even stronger then what MM is considered especially how easily he wins. Right?? Now, next showing, he is back to getting beat by HH putting back to what I consider his normal level(MH). That doesn't happen to Superman, or Thor much, right? When do you see Superman nearly as powerful as Skyfather, perhaps even higher and then going down back to your normal levels. If that isn't considered an amp, pr a different version, then I don't know what is.
Because Sentry is that kind of character, and it's not going to change easily. He is a plot device
Actually, Sentry's plight is not unique to Sentry.
The reason he seems inconsistent is because he's a relatively new herald level character and he interacts with both weak meta and high heralds. Just like thor became impotent whenever he fought alongside Avengers and became godlike when he fought more powerful foes alone.
Look at another new character: Rulk. He's also wildly inconsistent, one minute he's pwning thor and watcher, the next moment, he gets herbed by Wolverine.
Sentry is no more a plot device than any other character. the reason for his inconsistency is that he has a short history so writers have more freedom to mold him to their purposes.
Why do you think they make fun of Rulk? Inconsistency, Duh!!
You are also right, every character has inconsistency, and it's okay, but it seems as if you too are missing the point. Is it okay to ignore all of Sentry regular feats just because of one high feats. If he was portrayed as he was in DA12, then okay, but he is not. He seems to be back to the way he was. That's all I am saying.
So getting hit by Thor's hammer changes what exactly?
The same thing can be said of Superman's use of t-vo. Does he do it every time he's in a jam? Nope. Has he gotten the snot beaten out of him since he showed us this power? Yep.
You seem to be picking and choosing while dismissing the simple and obvious here. These characters don't just use their most powerful/effective abilities over and over again. They will lose without resorting to them. It's how to create drama in a story.
Take hp for instance. DD was tearing up apokolips and all Ds wanted to do was get him off his planet. Did he bfr him? No. Does that change his natural abilities? Nope.
Try to use your head every once and a while and show us you understand the nature of the game here.
If you ignore the context behind those showings, sure. You are a fanboy of the highest magnitude so it doesn't matter what happens in the comics to you.
So in Thor's first 8-10 years for instance were these his best showings? Was the best yet to come for Thor?
Comparing someone's best showings with a character without a main book to a character with over 40 years of showings in a main book is laughable. He went rounds with Photon. Do you know who that is?
I understand perfectly. You seem to ignore the context behind his low showings and completely dismiss his higher ones showing a bias against the character for whatever reason.
Exactly. According to the latest feat it was unbelievable. That's a new ability of the Sentry's.
His low showings are explained away due to his fear of losing control hence the reason why Sentry going all out is a monster compared to Sentry afraid of losing it.
Who is annointing him the next uber marvel powerhouse?
All I see are haters scared to death of the character and trying at every turn to hate on him for no apparent reason other than a bias against the character.
The drop from Trans/low Skyfather to low level is actually insane, but still much lower than Sentry's span from Abstract to high meta ish. And the Rulk comics are widely recognized as being complete and utter shit, yet people are being put out because they're calling Sentry's shit?
This is a far cry from the incidents where Thor and Superman rise to the occasion and beat someone a notch up on the tier list.
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