Well, for all SW purposes, shed dead and gone. As I've said before, she constructed exactly what I envisioned the Clone Wars as being. I dont like her as a person either, but I do think her books are the best thing to come out of Star Wars, save for maybe the films themselves. And since SW is all EU now anyway...
Its her work I respect.
I hope its good too, but rumors (some of which have factual basis) aren't really beacons of light in the darkness. Its more like a field of the carcasses of my favorite characters on pikes. I'm preparing for the worst; I have my duct tape, plastic sheeting, fresh water, and 3 cans of beans. I think its a more rational approach as opposed to going expecting Lucas to actually meet a standard not of technology or art, but of character. I do expect there to be some positive, at least the armor is on SOMEONE, and there have been clips of light, but overall it looks bleak.
I hope I'm wrong.
*ding ding ding*
look at that. Mandalorian heritage during the Clone Wars. I wonder how that could be relevant to Mandalorians on a show called The Clone Wars?
Though, on the flipside, it might finally get *ahem* some people to stop denying the canonicity of Mandalorians. I'll have to wait and see what the show does before I take sides on the "Clone Wars Is Canon" argument though. I'm to going to box myself in to accepting osik as canon.
The whole argument there is that nobody actually says Mandalorian in the films, yes? Or claims to be one? Clone Wars can't trump the films but it seems like it has been put in a higher canon slot that the rest of EU.
I thought it was in one of the novelisations of the movies... At least I remember reading so, on some topic here.
On the other hand, there's no point in being glad because of the canonicity if that canonicity implies a totally different image of the things you want to see considered as canon.
And now somewhat off-topic: yesterday after my exam, I went looking for some cheap dvd's and books and guess what book caught my attention at the store?
Imperial Commando 501st by Karen Traviss. I open the book at a random page and which name do I see: Ordo.
First the book, then this topic... It's the will of the Force!
I burst out laughnig in the promo when the announcer called Mandalorians "a peace loving people." I could just see the sarcasm dripping off of Filoni's lips. At least I know that they recognize that they have a public relations crisis/a fanbase they need to address.
The problem is this...and just like it was repeated multiple times at the end of the trailer.
That and they didn't mention that the pretty art deco people are also "Mandalorians" (and I use the term loosely...traitors).
Props though for the bootstomp. Its nice to see Republic Commando references.
I dont know if there has ever been a plotline explored as deeply as the Mandalorians during the Clone Wars that are about to be overwritten by Lucas. This is a tragic loss for the EU and the very principle of Star Wars canon.
Here are some excepts from #116.
No. In fact you say "**** you. This has already been developed with your approval for the past 30 years."
Funny how they mention that it can fit in with The Old Republic because its 4000 years in the past and they are still trying to sell the game when it comes out next year, but they negate all the work that already covers Mandalorians in this period.
Which, given the prequels, must be spectacularly high. I hope the Mandalorians make fart noises.
It'll be fun bashing in your skull with my beskar plated fist. You're not even going to appeal to fans? If you give a 5 year old a mud pie they think its great. Its not like they expect anymore quality out of TV. You're not a good salesman if you can give candy to children.
Watching what has been written for 30 years overwritten by the whim of a senile old filmaker who already has brought you to your limits with bad diologue, poor acting, and poop jokes is not fun. It is heartwrenching.
The sheer distaste the Lucas has for what the Mandalorians have become but just be astronomical.
Lucas rejected this plotline last season (it was the only one he rejected....seriously...Dooku Captured made it through before this? THATS bias.) Its pretty obvious when you cant even get the name of Hard Contact right (the article called it Hard Target) and lump all 4 of Traviss' RC books AND the videogame together as one "event" on the "History of the Mandalorians" timeline that you think it is an insignificant part of the plot. A whole page on the timeline was devoted to leaked concept art for these episodes. This is not just Traviss, as I know Rexx will come swooping in here. Some of this stuff (the capital of Mandalore and its terrain) were established back in 1980, before the Empire Karking Struck Back, and they are about to be overwritten. Its in Traviss' books but its also in many others detailing both the Clone Wars and other periods. The EU is all Star Wars has left. Thanks for proving its worthless, Lucas, and showing me that its not worth being a Star Wars fan, because eventually what you come to love will just be deleted.
Where is there a black lightsaber? That will make me spectacularly sad...
Also, Ms.Marvel, we sadly do not. Lucas determines where things fall in canon as it is his creation. If he wants to overwrite something, he can. Doesn't mean we'll like it, as we can see Ordo completely does not... but Filoni can't really tell Lucas no or Lucas will just kill and replace him. I'd rather appease the Flanneled One than lose my job.
My distaste is only for Traviss herself, Ordo. I agree that is frustrating when higher canon overwrites some of the better EU stuff. It doesn't happen often, thankfully, whereas the EU turns things on their heads quite often.
i dont think george lucas is going to send assassins into my house and kill me if i decide that the clone wars cartoon makes no sense among star wars continuity and therefore it isnt canon. i mean yeah no one will take me seriously at comic con if i make that statement or anything but my point is that as far as the fanbase is concerned just because the creator states something is canon doesnt mean we have to consider it such. in the comic book community events that are considered nonsensical or contradictory are classified as pis/cis etc. if in the next episode jar jar is depecicted laying waste to the jedi council in an epic lightsaber duel, neither i nor any of you have to then believe that jar jar is now superior the jedi council in lightsaber combat... it would make more sense to just assume that the writer who greenlighted that incident is an idiot, and it should be disregarded.
again obviously that doesnt hold true in an official manner or in a debate with rules like the kind that go on here where we must adhere to lucas idiotic canon, but theres nothing wrong with just saying that as far as you/i is/are concerned, jarjar soloing the council isnt canon.
... hope that made sense >.>
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99% of the time, Lucas's approval of what goes on in the EU is glancing over the general story arc for a book series and nothing more. So older still will get overwritten on occasion. This is nothing new. I don't consider ANY EU to be canon, though, and have found that the vast majority of it isn't worth bothering with at all, though, so yeah.
I don't exactly understand the obsession with Mandalorians, anyway.
Also, black lightsabers should not exist. Ever. There is no way it ever looks good and it's just incredibly stupid.