Toon force is a character doing something they could never canonically do for thr sake of a funny or neat looking scene.
Take Mario in SMW, for example. He's just a fat guido, he has no super powers and needs to wander through castles and fight the koopa inside one on one. In one scene, however, he picks up a castle and throws it off screen. This is toonforce, because if Mario could lift and throw castles like that he wouldn't need to do anything he does in the games.
Toonforce is a recognized concept in this forum, BT isn't just making it up.
I am using Toonforce wrong to a certain extent. What happens to Link that makes him fly across miles due to that little explosion is true toonforce.
heres why:
First hes a toon, you can see it from his art design but more importantly, he flies miles into the air out of sight the sort of thing bugs bunny, pokemon or w/e other cartoon does and he even squeeks in a comedic fashion (not realistic) when he hits the stone.
he can do it, just not on a realistically physical battleground. The game shows us Links feats, Screampaste has decided he thinks its BS and for this to work he has to add power/strength/durability/speed or w/e to make it work for his argument.
This I am sure you agree is wrong, completly because games do not have to be logical, especialyl when exceptions are not made. We have an exception for strength in Links arms, the gauntlets yes? but not the rest of his body.
Screampaste has made the game into what he thinks it should be ,added exceptions and then told us his evidence based on his exceptions and math (thats correct taking into account those exceptions) makes link stronger than would make sense for the game and to a lot of people here. His arguments are all invalid if hes added exceptions or used what he thinks should make sense in logic for the game.
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Another note:
I dont know the word for a character who has feats similiar to a toon but due to art design is not a toon. For example, I would argue to a certain extent that Dante, out of Dantes inferno could have some toon feats, because he is doing things that are physically impossible for man to do, even though hes not necesserily physically enhanced. From what I got from the game he is just a normal man who defies death and continues on a journey to save his wife. He has some cool items but in the end, that would not let you without strength enhancements manhandle large demons.
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I will now explain why all of this is completely stupid.
That angle is a new argument, but it still sucks. And your entire argument for calling it toonforce revolves around that Link "doesn't have any reason to be superhuman" or some stupid bullshit like that. When in fact, he has the gauntlets to grant him strength, and just like Dante has his devil powers, Link has the Triforce of Courage. Get ****in' raped, ****tard.
The Iron boots don't have to take that force, because the concept of physics still escapes you, all they do is add to Link's weight. And since he is already very VERY strong, he needs much less weight than you think. I'll put it this way, the Queen of England is going to sumo wrestle the Japanese champion, Fa Tso. Fa Tso, being a man, is naturally much stronger. But the Queen is retaining water, and she has reached a weight of 1000 pounds (not your money). Fa Tso is only 400 pounds. At the beginning of the match, the queen starts to roll herself at our champion. Before the match started, however, Fa Tso's manager had a very strong magnet installed under the sumo ring, and Fa Tso is wearing metal sandals. Thus, when queeny hits Fa Tso, the sandals act as his anchor. Unfortunately, in this case, Fa Tso has a much harder time and his sandals are magnetized because he is much weaker than Link is.
Except that you can grunt to lift something that isn't heavy. Hell, I used to play soccer and our goalie could punt the ball 3/4s of the field and he grunted every time. It's just a natural phenomenon.
Based on what? Your nonfan-stupidity.
Then there's more of that mindset bullshit. That nonsense is automatically ruled out due to the concept of vs threads. The object is to see which character would win, not see which character would probably choose not to fight due to the fact that the other one didn't do anything wrong to him yet and let the other guy cut his ****ing head off. Go take that bullshit somewhere else, ****tard.
Fact is, it is, they just don't want to accept it, much like you. You're all in far too deep now, if you quit I'll never let you live that shit down. Bring it up in every thread I see you in.
Except for these nice little facts:
1) Link doesn't have to be physically faster.
2) Link has a defense the other characters won't breach.
3) Link slows time while behind his defense.
4) This is composite Link, fact is he doesn't need to do any of that. He's just broken.
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As much as i hate to admit it, Screampaste handlles himself far better than his lackies, if someone wants to reply to Moocow then they can do so, if I get bored I may reply to certain piecies for lulz.
Ok here goez my lulz
1. He does, their bullet timers with ease, and their actual movement/combat speed is not much slower than that.
2. no limit fallacy thats called, or fanboy stubborness you choose.
3. Two of Team 2 can manip time and Link has to have his dinky phantom sword out AND pull out a sphere to use it, Bayonetta can exist in purgatory, a different dimension thats connected to ours, if time is slowed in the physical realm she is not touched but can strike link with impunity.
4. He does, composite link is just Link with a ton of crappy little additions. Cutting and pasting different items and giving it to another link is not going to help him.
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And ignored by Bayonetta not even being on the same dimension. She still blows a hole in his head.
Or they could just use their powers before Link does (they have innate power, he needs a seperate sword to his consistent one and a phantom sphere) hence they will do it quicker. Then just steal his sword and give it to Kratos.
Prove this? Link has a bubble but assuming they cant reach into it is daft, when has it been tried? its a protective bubble, yet your assuming if Zelda went to pat Link on the shoulder she wouldnt be able to touch him? I dont buy that.
Assuming he can activate it ofc before they stop time (not really likely). They could prob outlast hs shield with their time powers.
Also no limit fallacy....bubble has no canon feats, using gameplay AND your flawed lack of logic is even poorer than your usual display.
1) neither is link, try again. And a bullet is only slightly off supersonic, they would have to >>supersonic to dodge it after it has left the chamber.
2) Its still a no limit fallacy
3) yeh, it slows him to a crawl in comparison to their instant, faster reaction of acitvating their time powers.
4) Let me guess, instangbility/invisiblity? you been ignoring the fact bayonetta enemies are all like this? as is she if she chooses? and once again, he has a limit...Dante has hit ghosts as well. Kratos has hades souls.
Again, no limitz fallaciez and 3 days after he has Chatau romi, which e will never drink because they steal it from him.
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I mentioned earlier on, that seeing as War is sort of the child of Link and Kratos, with Link being the father, naturally, that I'd like to see a resolution to this thread where Link manages to keep War alive, as well. It adds an extra challenge. Thing is:
Link can throw up his shield instantly, and has a few minutes before he needs to drink Chateau Romani. He can evne drink it will defending War. They can't do anythign to stop him.
It's not a no-limit fallacy. This bubble's seen mroe damage than anyone on Team 2 can do. And they can't steal it from his bubble, as I already mentioned.
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BT I wasn't trying to help Screampaste, what I've trying to do is give you some criticism to think about. I like to have discussions about which character can do what but I don't have the patience to deal with people who make terrible arguments all the time, people like you. Just saying that you should re examine the way you do things on this website.
Assuming the no limit fallacy that is inviciblity is in effect, Link can still be moved, with kratos, Dante or Bayonetta tossing him about in a hurricane of sworld blows . Hell any of them could just send off elemental forces such as wind (Typhons bane hurricane ftw) to send Links little vials of Chatuai romi shattering.
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