I know, I've read the book. She's assuming her calculations would be right. She lost because she's inferior. Deal with it. If she could've actually beaten him, she would've done it.
If we're counting "character X reached his or her goal despite character Y actively fighting against them" as a win, as you did with "For Tomorrow" on page48, she DID beat him,
he was forced to do exactly as she planned, even as the saving of innocents in "For Tomorrow" demanded Diana do as Superman wished, allowing him to Vanish.
I think one problem we're having is that you're assuming that,
whenever I post something, I am somehow posting things for the reason that YOU would post something if YOU were in my place, arguing for my side.
That's simply not the case.
Once IN A WHILE what you and I think coincides, but it's really not all that often.
The problem is you can't seem to understand that people could ever hold an opinion that differs from yours, let alone THINK in a way that differs from how you think.
And, of course, you rush things.
Regardless, it's time for you to answer some things according to your own supposed standards.
I "brought-up an Omac example to argue Wonder Woman's strength, even though she was basically just throwing the weight of a normal person"?
What did YOU do here with Superman and Wonder Woman?
This statement of yours HERE, I can certainly corroborate:
I always see people argue Lar Gand is stronger/more powerful than Superman, including Pre-ZERO HOUR, simply because he's a Daxamite, that they're automatically more powerful than Kryptonians.
That would be a valid argument, if Diana didn't say, "I knew I couldn't beat you." Fail One.
Blah blah blah blah blah, you were bringing-up the Omac and saying she out-performed him as an argument that she's stronger. Unless you're backtracking, I don't see how I could mistake it.
Fail Two. I already explained it, unless you didn't understand me or just missed it. This is a completely different scenario. She's trying to restrain him, he tosses her like a ragdoll. On the other hand, what she did was grab a hold of the Omac, held it in the air THEN threw it. Huge, huge difference. Fail Three. Oh and this is from the previous page.
Yeah, I said that. I don't deny it. If you're trying to use this against me to argue that Superman isn't stronger than Wonder Woman, this is one of the biggest fails you've done. I give actual examples backing my case that Daxamites aren't stronger than Kryptonians. You, on the other hand, have so utterly and blatantly failed to even attempt to back your case despite the mountain RANGE of evidence proving you wrong, that it's inane and ridiculous that you continue to argue it.
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Source: Lois Lane #28, Volume 1
Writer: Mort Weisinger
Penciller: John Forte (?)
Date: October 1961
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I know you're not likely to do so while you're in debate-mode, but EVENTUALLY you'll realize that there ARE people in this world that think differently than you do, and that you have to do more than simply project yourself and how YOU think into someone else to get real understanding.
At any rate, the showing I would use against "Solar System Sneeze" would be the following, and not Luthor's "MacGeyver" act, because, among other things, it roughly relates to "How Their Powers Work", which I outlined much earlier in this thread:
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Source: Superboy #143, Volume 1
Writer: E. Nelson Bridwell
Penciller: Al Plastino
Date: December 1967
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By the way, not that I personally put much stock into it, if any, but, DC itself DOES advertize League of One as a win for Wonder Woman over Superman. You can see that here ... at least today (June 13, 2012)
Gender: Male Location: The Fortress of Solitude in Venus
Well, there isn't so, We just have to cope
I disagree, this is plain and simple.
Diana and the JLA do not want to get out of the room, Superman against their will force them to get out. and there was nothing they can do. No hallucinations and no holding back (Well maybe Superman was holding back)
Superman moves at Super speed and there is nothing Diana can do vs Superman. and if I start digging I bet I can find Diana resisting hurricane level wins or stopping a car dead on it's track.
And what about the second showing? why Diana got KO?
Also, do You think Diana is stronger then PC Silver Age Superman?
Yep, you'd have a point about what I said, if Diana didn't say this.
As for the Supergirl example, hey, good job!! You finally found an actual showing instead of relying entirely on statements. Now let's see you match these.
And still waiting for evidence of Wonder Woman being stronger than Superman. The one example you gave contradicts your own standards for what matters, so that means you haven't provided any examples. All it shows is she's strong, not stronger than Superman. On the other hand, we have these.
Since it took you weeks to provide one contradictory example for Wonder Woman and one actual solid example for Supergirl, I'm sure I'll be waiting a very long time.
Actually, that did make me chuckle. Doesn't change the fact though that you're complaining about people bringing-up the context behind Wonder Woman's two whole wins, but you're nitpicking and ignoring and even making shit up so you can dismiss Superman blatantly showing to be stronger than her.
Then.....what was the point of that? You tried dismissing Superman's Solar System Buster sneeze as "The Silver Age was whacky" then show Luthor making a time manipulation thingamijiggy out of junk he can get in his cell. What else am I supposed to think?
Oh, and what you'd use against Superman's Solar System Busting sneeze? Fail. Superman busted a solar system by sneezing. Mxy had nothing to do with it aside from giving him the reaction TO sneeze. But hey, keep on grasping at those straws as you fall off the cliff if it makes you feel better.
a catalog of some of the most famous fights either character has had in the past 20 years,
a photo collection of over 300 scans ...
and now we can't figure a way to make a simple link directory on the page after this one FOR this thread ...?
...
(Next week it is, then.)
This is one of those cases where I disagree.
I mean, might-not-SLEEP-properly-if-I don't-voice-this-objection-level disagree, not the
fine-I'll-come-back-to-this-later-if-and-when-somebody-reminds-me-level disagree
that you often see from me.
Earlier, BY THE VERY SAME author (Gardner Fox),
we (Silver Age readers) were shown Flash dutifully putting down Superman's power equivalent, Ultraman.
(Hadn't PUT him down, but was well on the way.)
By himself.
Barehanded.
Now Flash, even WITH the help of other JLA members, can't challenge Earth-1's "Ultraman"??
Refer to Justice League of America v1 #s 30 and 29.
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