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Civilization 5

It's been announced and is in production!

http://www.civilization5.com/


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Introduce a little government. Upset the established gangs, and everything becomes order...
Democracy is the very definition of awesome.

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It seems that graphics weren't improved all that much since Civ4. I'm still looking forward to this, though.


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And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.

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Civ sucks until they put Hitler in as the leader of Germany.

'eff Bismark.


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Civ sucks until they put Hitler in as the leader of Germany.

'eff Bismark.


obvious troll is obvious


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Troll?

I was serious.

There is little reason besides Jewish people and Germans BAWing about it that Hitler should be excluded.

The fact that both Stalin and Mao, two leaders who have caused more deaths then Hitler, who is not evil despite common belief, have appeared in the game, yet not him, is retarded.

Hitler is undeniably one of the most well recognized and influential leaders in history.


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Troll?

I was serious.

There is little reason besides Jewish people and Germans BAWing about it that Hitler should be excluded.

The fact that both Stalin and Mao, two leaders who have caused more deaths then Hitler, who is not evil despite common belief, have appeared in the game, yet not him, is retarded.

Hitler is undeniably one of the most well recognized and influential leaders in history.


So the game sucks simply because they don't put in Hitler?


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It is rampant in faggotry.

This does not amuse me.


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There's a massive stigma following Hitler around(not without a good reason; he was one evil ****er). Stalin, for example, has caused just as many(if not more) deaths, and not in any more humane ways either.


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Stalin caused atleast twice as more then Hitler. And he was just as inhumane as Hitler was.

For instance, Stalin caused the deaths of around 3 million Ukrainians via starvation. Can you imagine what it feels like to starve to death? People got so desperate, they killed whoever they could get their hands on, and cannabalized them, even children.

It's hypocritical to include Stalin, yet not Hitler.

For the record, Hitler wasn't evil. He was simply a nationalist. Everything he did, he did for his country. Even the Holocaust. Though, there is a reason why it's called the final solution, and why Hitler spent time thinking of how to get rid of the jews, instead of just ordering them all to be killed (He actually thought of shipping them all off to Palenstine :l )


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For the record, Hitler wasn't evil. He was simply a nationalist. Everything he did, he did for his country. Even the Holocaust. Though, there is a reason why it's called the final solution, and why Hitler spent time thinking of how to get rid of the jews, instead of just ordering them all to be killed (He actually thought of shipping them all off to Palenstine :l )


That changes nothing. Unless, of course, your views on what's good and evil are very subjective. Like, really, really subjective.


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Abe Lincoln tore the United States apart and caused the most horrific war in North America.

Is he evil?

Truman ordered the A Bombs to be dropped on Hiroshima and Nagaski. This resulted in two of the most horrific events in the history of mankind.

Is he evil?

Hitler genuinely believed that what he was doing was necessary, and that it would help Germany. Even the Holocaust, the single most undeniably evil event attributed to Hitler, was not really decided by him, but by his advisors and staff.


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Abe Lincoln tore the United States apart and caused the most horrific war in North America.

Is he evil?

Truman ordered the A Bombs to be dropped on Hiroshima and Nagaski. This resulted in two of the most horrific events in the history of mankind.

Is he evil?

Hitler genuinely believed that what he was doing was necessary, and that it would help Germany. Even the Holocaust, the single most undeniably evil event attributed to Hitler, was not really decided by him, but by his advisors and staff.


Hitler did quite a few good things for Germany, but went too far. Way too far. He did the wrong things for mostly wrong reasons after coming to the wrong conclusions.

I suppose some similarities between Lincoln and Hitler could drawn if you try hard enough, but Truman and the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is a different story altogether.


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Dun't matter. He did what he believed was necessary. How is that evil?

Truman did what he did because he believed there was no other solution. And because of what he did, he extinguished thousands of innocent lives.


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Dun't matter. He did what he believed was necessary. How is that evil?

Truman did what he did because he believed there was no other solution. And because of what he did, he extinguished thousands of innocent lives.


Just because you believe in what you're doing as necessary doesn't let you off the hook. I bet Stalin believed in what he was doing, too.

Yes, but many more innocent lives would have been extinguished if the war had dragged on. Invasion of mainland Japan would have been a bloodbath of epic proportions.


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Stalin isn't evil either =)

No proof. Not only that, Truman could have demonstrated the powah of the atomic bomb to the eggrolls without blowing up one of their cities.


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Stalin isn't evil either =)

No proof. Not only that, Truman could have demonstrated the powah of the atomic bomb to the eggrolls without blowing up one of their cities.


How about common sense and previous military experience fighting the Japanese? They fought literally to the last man for tiny islands. What do you think would have happened on mainland Japan?

You know, nuclear bombs weren't exactly "unveiled" during the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It's not like Japan wasn't warned. It took two nuked cities for Japan to capitulate and even then there was quite a bit of internal strife on that one. Most of the Japanese military elements were prepared to fight even after two nukes have been dropped on them. Something tells me a mere display of the power of the atomic bomb would not have been enough.

It seems that nobody could truly be labeled as evil according to your logic.


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Not true.


Dr. Mengele and General Shiro Ishii are, imo, the epitome of human evil.


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Not true.


Dr. Mengele and General Shiro Ishii are, imo, the epitome of human evil.


Yes, those two were two extremely nasty and downright evil individuals. Mengele, of course, was not acting without the blessing from the big H.


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Ishii was worse.

Raping women, then ripping out their fetuses and dissecting it is disgusting =l

But this is off topic. My main point is that it's hypocrisy to include Stalin, yet not Hitler.


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Ishii was worse.

Raping women, then ripping out their fetuses and dissecting it is disgusting =l

But this is off topic. My main point is that it's hypocrisy to include Stalin, yet not Hitler.


I don't know much aboit Ishii, but things he apparently did would make Satan puke.

Yes, I can only agree with that. It's a double standard.


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