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stalemate?

No I think its a...sexual term. stick out tongue


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If he were Omniscient he wouldn't have needed Mephisto to reassure him after Maelstrom ****ed with him.

That's about the only instance where Thanos displayed some sort of limitation.
Yea at that point Thanos was still in his infancy with the IG,
and yes, the Anomaly status Maelstrom had gave him certain perks,
but Maelstrom never did anything to Thanos,
and even admitted that Thanos surpassed his power.
Maelstrom was obliterated, then re-appeared as if nothing had happened,
was he re-created into reality by his boss Oblivion?
Or was he hiding behind the smoke & therefore was truly un-affected by the blast?

No one will ever know.

What we do know, is that Maelstrom was beneath an abstract (Oblivion)
Maelstrom killed Anomaly easily, yet Thanos couldn't affect the Anomaly status?
The same Maelstrom Thanos couldn't affect,
is the same Maelstrom Quasar stalemated while empowered by Infinity,
and yet Thanos stomped Eternity
who in the Infinity Gauntlet arc was everything Infinity was and then some. (space & time)

None of this makes sense, but then again, the Maelstrom pis was in a Quasar book,
that was prepping Maelstrom as the big threat in that side of Marvel,
so this kinda explains to us why this nonsense happened.
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Originally posted by Omega Vision

One of my biggest pet peeves is conflating Omnipotence with Omniscience as if they're synonyms or package deals.

I have no idea how I tickled this thought.


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That's about the only instance where Thanos displayed some sort of limitation.
Yea at that point Thanos was still in his infancy with the IG,
and yes, the Anomaly status Maelstrom had gave him certain perks,
but Maelstrom never did anything to Thanos,
and even admitted that Thanos surpassed his power.
Maelstrom was obliterated, then re-appeared as if nothing had happened,
was he re-created into reality by his boss Oblivion?
Or was he hiding behind the smoke & therefore was truly un-affected by the blast?

No one will ever know.

What we do know, is that Maelstrom was beneath an abstract (Oblivion)
Maelstrom killed Anomaly easily, yet Thanos couldn't affect the Anomaly status?
The same Maelstrom Thanos couldn't affect,
is the same Maelstrom Quasar stalemated while empowered by Infinity,
and yet Thanos stomped Eternity
who in the Infinity Gauntlet arc was everything Infinity was and then some. (space & time)

None of this makes sense, but then again, the Maelstrom pis was in a Quasar book,
that was prepping Maelstrom as the big threat in that side of Marvel,
so this kinda explains to us why this nonsense happened.

I have no idea how I tickled this thought.

Okay...okay. See you're talking as if I'm trying to argue against Thanos being Omnipotent where in fact I'm arguing against him being Omniscient.
I think Maelstrom was able to escape Thanos's wrath not because he was more powerful but because he tricked him, much in the same way Mordru tricked Shazam into releasing him from the ROE. If you can trick someone then odds are they aren't Omniscient.


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Above Thanos with the IG? She rewrote the main 616 universe multiple times, created her own universe, tore the omniverse apart, then reconstructed it with a thought, without the majority of the mutant population across all timelines and realities.


And who stopped her? What resisted against her? She's a reality warper. The fact that she warped reality repeated doesn't some how put her above the Infinity Gauntlet. She also didn't destroy it instantaneously. It was an affect that spread out across the omniverse. The UN has that scope of power too and the IG punked it. As for the mutants, she didn't get rid of all mutants.


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Yeah, why do you think I said you are the one who didn't know what she was doing?.

In the arc it was even practically said she was the most powerful being. That was said for more beings, but she actually backed it up with one of the biggest feats in comic history. IG never did such enromous feat as Wanda did.


No, in terms of scope the IG never did such a thing. But it's feats a far better. She warped the people and genes of the omniverse. She didn't fight Eternity himself. Heck, no abstract opposed her at all. Also the UN has the same range and yet the IG won that one.


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Their chromosomes were different. They didn't possess the x-gene. It explains that in the Astonishing X-Men comic you're talking about.


In other words, she isn't cosmically aware as Thanos. She said no more mutants. I don't ever recall her saying, no more mutants with this x-gene.

Basically these are the feats everyones bring up and putting her on the IG's power level? She isn't winning this because the Reality gem gaves you mastery of reality for one. As powerful as she is, she's getting stomped hard. The embodiment of time, Kronos, got punked going up against the time gem. Wanda's getting the same treatment. In fact, his cosmic awareness puts her at a serve disadvantage as he could see into the future and stop time.


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^ This thread is over.
Mr Master already posted.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
That's about the only instance where Thanos displayed some sort of limitation.
Yea at that point Thanos was still in his infancy with the IG,
and yes, the Anomaly status Maelstrom had gave him certain perks,
but Maelstrom never did anything to Thanos,
and even admitted that Thanos surpassed his power.
Maelstrom was obliterated, then re-appeared as if nothing had happened,
was he re-created into reality by his boss Oblivion?
Or was he hiding behind the smoke & therefore was truly un-affected by the blast?

No one will ever know.

What we do know, is that Maelstrom was beneath an abstract (Oblivion)
Maelstrom killed Anomaly easily, yet Thanos couldn't affect the Anomaly status?
The same Maelstrom Thanos couldn't affect,
is the same Maelstrom Quasar stalemated while empowered by Infinity,
and yet Thanos stomped Eternity
who in the Infinity Gauntlet arc was everything Infinity was and then some. (space & time)

None of this makes sense, but then again, the Maelstrom pis was in a Quasar book,
that was prepping Maelstrom as the big threat in that side of Marvel,
so this kinda explains to us why this nonsense happened.

I have no idea how I tickled this thought.

maybe maelstrom is simply out of jurisdition of the gems? despite not being as powerful as it...
the gems destroy reality but maelstrom lives outside reality(oblivion)
idk if the gem can destroy both reality and nothingness, if so what will be left?


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maybe maelstrom is simply out of jurisdition of the gems? despite not being as powerful as it...
the gems destroy reality but maelstrom lives outside reality(oblivion)
idk if the gem can destroy both reality and nothingness, if so what will be left?


nothing, which is what oblivion is anyway, he is a tricky concept to work with in these things

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maybe maelstrom is simply out of jurisdition of the gems? despite not being as powerful as it...
the gems destroy reality but maelstrom lives outside reality(oblivion)
idk if the gem can destroy both reality and nothingness, if so what will be left?

...Or maybe Thanos genuinely didn't know who or what Maelstrom was because he wasn't Omniscient. whistle


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And who stopped her? What resisted against her? She's a reality warper. The fact that she warped reality repeated doesn't some how put her above the Infinity Gauntlet. She also didn't destroy it instantaneously. It was an affect that spread out across the omniverse. The UN has that scope of power too and the IG punked it. As for the mutants, she didn't get rid of all mutants.

No, in terms of scope the IG never did such a thing. But it's feats a far better. She warped the people and genes of the omniverse. She didn't fight Eternity himself. Heck, no abstract opposed her at all. Also the UN has the same range and yet the IG won that one.

In other words, she isn't cosmically aware as Thanos. She said no more mutants. I don't ever recall her saying, no more mutants with this x-gene.

Basically these are the feats everyones bring up and putting her on the IG's power level? She isn't winning this because the Reality gem gaves you mastery of reality for one. As powerful as she is, she's getting stomped hard. The embodiment of time, Kronos, got punked going up against the time gem. Wanda's getting the same treatment. In fact, his cosmic awareness puts her at a serve disadvantage as he could see into the future and stop time.


I think she's got similar or superior raw power going by feats, but agree he has an edge in awareness and comprehension. She missed mutants whose x gens were in a different chromossome entirely as a result of this. He takes a majority, but it's not a stomp.

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Wanda still. Greater power display. Some could say IG didn't do such stuff, because of that and that, well Wanda actually did it. No one stopped her.

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Heck, no abstract opposed her at all.


How to oppose her when Wanda was doing with Eternity whatever she wanted?


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She also didn't destroy it instantaneously.


She didn't because she didn't want it that way. When OmniVerse was torn to pieces, she put it back with a thought instantaneously effortlessly. I actually always put someone to create (or recreate) above than just to destroy. Actually to put Omniverse back with a thought (everything in place) is greater feat than to destroy it (and she did both actually) and she could also destroy an OmniVerse with a thought effortlessly instantaneously.


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Wanda still. Greater power display. Some could say IG didn't do such stuff, because of that and that, well Wanda actually did it. No one stopped her.


Wanda altered the existence of mutants and didn't even do it right. How's that comparable to Thanos dominating the embodiments of death, time, and space? Altering genetics and such is within the scopes of a Cube Being and Thanos had powers far beyond that. Get back to me when her feat is even comparable. He already made the Ultimate Nullifier look stupid. She has reality warping powers while he's got mastery over that and backed by 5 other soul gems.


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She actually dominated the whole Marvel Omniverse. What is so hard to get here?

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Get back to me when her feat is even comparable.


Get back to you? smile

Not only comparable, but as you could see, even Mr Master said feat wise Wanda>Thanos with the IG


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Well to be fair she did toss around/warp galactus on panel.

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Well to be fair she did toss around/warp galactus on panel.


Like he was just a normal causal ant to her power. He was nothing more than that.


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She actually dominated the whole Marvel Omniverse. What is so hard to get here?



Get back to you? smile

Not only comparable, but as you could see, even Mr Master said feat wise Wanda>Thanos with the IG


Lol. You make it sound as if she beat up the abstracts or something. Did she imprison Lady Death and Eternity or did I miss something. Oh wait no. Kinda easy to manipulate against something that doesn't fight back. Warlock destroyed an entire timeline, I guess he could beat Chronos in a fight. Letse her reality warp someone with a reality gem back by the other 5 gems.


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Like he was just a normal causal ant to her power. He was nothing more than that.


Like when Magus with an incomplete IG contained the Ultimate Nullifiers blast? Yeah. Same thing is going to happen to Wanda.


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Lol. You make it sound as if she beat up the abstracts or something. Did she imprison Lady Death and Eternity or did I miss something. Oh wait no. Kinda easy to manipulate against something that doesn't fight back.


Are you kidding or you really don't get it?


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Are you kidding or you really don't get it?


I ain't kidding you. You act as if she beat Death and Eternity. The UN had such power and the IG stopped it cold. Why kid you when I have on panel evidence of the IG stomped these beings who tried there best only to get the heel of Thanos.

Also, the 616 and Wanda were lucky the Celestial Nullifier was broken otherwise both would have been nonexistent.


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When Thanos with THOTI, after defeating LT and others, then went on absorbing other realities out of existence,... hm let Thanos with THOTI see if others would fight back... how he would do then. smile

I know Wanda can't compare to THOTI, but we could use that. We saw no one could fight against Chaos Wave, which was Wanda power. Galactus was a joke compared to it and it practically said Wanda was the most powerful being when her power were at the peak. Eternity didn't fight Wanda directly, but Eternity couldn do anything against her power.

Let see how would Wanda do against Galactus who would fight back?. I mean, do you think Galactus was just a joke there and tossed there, because he wanted it or because he was forced and couldn't do anything about it?.
Destroying an omniverse (tell me who did what Wanda did, how many can you name them). And on top of that, she did it easily. I mean she destroyed the omniverse not even directly with her power and no one could stop it and when she chose directly, she put it back with a though effortlessly and instantaneously. Destruction of an omniverse actually happened when Wanda was around (not only ''It could happen, it there wasn't for?...), but it actually happened. When her power was destroying Omniverse, where was Eternity and others to stop it? I mean they interfered for less and lesser powers. Did they just stood there? They simply couldn't do anything about it, that's why she did what she did, because they were useless. That's why it was said Wanda was the most powerful being when her power unleashed (''No matter how grandiose sentient being, this power topped them'' or something in that manner. I don't have a scan.). And she actually backed it up with a feat of such power that almost no being has in comic history (including Thanos with IG).

I mean, you simply don't get it.


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