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okay, this is how I see it.... The Pokemon have the FF universe unfairly matched in numbers, but alot of them are useless when it comes to fighting, and it won't take long for their numbers to diminish.
The black mages will be a huge advantage in this fight because they have a large range of elemental attacks that would take out stronger opponents.The blk mages would split up into diff teams and focus on specific elements at a time, using their elemental weaknesses to take them out. The FF teams have abilities and equipment that can give them the edge in this fight too by making all elemental attacks, and physical attacks weaker on them, and equipment that heal them when they get hit by an elemental attack.( earth eater, lightning eater, etc.).
The smaller pokemon, like pika, meowth, bellsprout, warturtle, etc. would be cut to shreads by characters like Cloud, Squall, Lightning, Zidane, Cecil, etc.
After a few minutes the only pokemon that would be left alive is the physics, legendaries, and ancients. I still don't see them beating the FF verse. FF FTW.

Also, this could probably be written off as gameplay mechanics, but if the pokemon's attacks are so powerful, then why is it when they win a match...they are only able to manage to faint their opponents?(manga is much more brutal, but idk if it counts)
At least when the FF universes magic is used in a fight, it kills the desired targets. stick out tongue


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okay, this is how I see it.... The Pokemon have the FF universe unfairly matched in numbers, but alot of them are useless when it comes to fighting, and it won't take long for their numbers to diminish.


I believe this to be false. Pokemon can get hax.
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The black mages will be a huge advantage in this fight because they have a large range of elemental attacks that would take out stronger opponents.The blk mages would split up into diff teams and focus on specific elements at a time, using their elemental weaknesses to take them out.


Pokemon can do this too. Heck, having a mixed team could render this near useless.
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The FF teams have abilities and equipment that can give them the edge in this fight too by making all elemental attacks, and physical attacks weaker on them, and equipment that heal them when they get hit by an elemental attack.( earth eater, lightning eater, etc.).

Pokemon have stuff like this as basic abilities. One of them, called Lightning Rod, causes all electric attacks to hit the pokemon with the Lightning Rod ability. Of course, it is often found in ground types, who are immune to electric attacks. Flash Fire makes them get stronger when hit with fire attacks. Water absorb heals them when hit by water. That's just off the top of my head.

Several pokemon also have abilities that prevent OHKOs.


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The smaller pokemon, like pika, meowth, bellsprout, warturtle, etc. would be cut to shreads by characters like Cloud, Squall, Lightning, Zidane, Cecil, etc.


Depends on level, really. Even the weakest ones can learn very powerful attacks. Still, putting FF's strong guys against weaklings will distract them well enough.

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After a few minutes the only pokemon that would be left alive is the physics, legendaries, and ancients. I still don't see them beating the FF verse. FF FTW.


I doubt this, too. Ho-OH revives all the dead and this starts over.
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Also, this could probably be written off as gameplay mechanics, but if the pokemon's attacks are so powerful, then why is it when they win a match...they are only able to manage to faint their opponents?(manga is much more brutal, but idk if it counts)
At least when the FF universes magic is used in a fight, it kills the desired targets. stick out tongue


Pokemon are very very hard to kill.

And they have too much stuff, too many variables, to actually list.

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1. Firaga, Thundaga, Blizzaga, Waterga, Quake, and Death will take down lots of Pokemon.

2. Tifa, Zell, Vayne, Yang, and Sabin got the rock, ice, normal, and dark types handled.

3. The many summons of FF would cause a massacre. Yojimbo and Odin would send heads rolling, Mindflayer hurts the minds of Psychics, Cockatrice and Catoblepas cause petrification, Leviathan would wipe large areas clean of Fire and Earth (Rock, Ground) types, Cactuar would act as a machinegun, and the ubers would nuke the world.

4. There is no Pokemon that can take Sin down. Sin would disintegrate most of the Pokemon on its own.

5. The Warring Triad almost destroyed the world they were in their conflict. Kefka has their power and is capable of destroying a planet.

6. Celebi can travel in time? So can Garland. Plus, Ultimecia can absorb time and space, making Celebi's ability useless. She alone erases all the Pokemon.

7. Exdeath can send the entire Pokemon world into the Void. And that's before he became a tree and then Neo Exdeath.

8. Ho-Oh can revive? So can Phoenix. Plus there's Auto-Life which resurrects a character the instant they fall.

9. Carbuncle would send many Pokemon attacks flying back at their faces. Reflect too.

The Pokemon World suffers heavy casualties.


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Phoenix down revives KNOCKED OUT party members, If you die your out of luck. keep in mind there is a planet full of pokemon against a very few handfull of people. The people Sin mentioned are not that durable and can be taken out by low high tiers.


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So, the Dawn Warriors, who only have one feat, are now more powerful than Palkia and Dialga? no expression This is an obvious non-feat for The Void. It is escapable, they were visibly inside.
Yes. no expression

Arceus only has one feat, but is considered the most powerful Pokemon.

So yeah, if that one feat is in fact BETTER than their's, they are more powerful.

They were not in the Void, the Void does not BFR you, it erases you. Ignoring this in a dreadfully BT fashion does not make this less true.

And seriously, once again, that was not Neo ExDeath, who is more powerful.


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Why does that matter? Each Pokemon is their own sentience. The only goal those Pokemon shared with the Unown was a desire to make Molly happy.

PIS. He said himself he could do anything if Molly believed in him.

Why does this ability grant immunity to it?

If the Unown can't stop them, Dialga and Palkia could.
1. It matters because the only thing keeping the matter they created in existence was the Unown, so why could they not destroy it?

2. Hyperbole. no expression

3. Well Neo ExDeath is one with the Void, a universal reality eraser, as is Cloud of Darkness.

Lol. Dialga and Palkia control the aspects of time and space respectively, both are nothing before the Void.


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Dialga and Palkia embody their respective aspects. Time did not exist before Dialga was born, and Palkia's very existence keeps Space stable.


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So, dead people, who in life were just another FF party, can hold back the void, but the aspects of time and space can't? I disagree. The Void does kool shit, but only when no one pushes back on it. How's the void gonna erase everything when Dialga and Palkia are giving it respective "no u"s? The void ever destroyed the universe while time and space actively resisted?

Also, where the hell were they, then? They were certainly not in Kansas.


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Deoxys goes Speed Forme and wtfpwns half of Team FF before they can blink.

Seriously, how could you guys forget Deoxys?
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4. There is no Pokemon that can take Sin down. Sin would disintegrate most of the Pokemon on its own.



That is like saying that no FFer can take Ho-Oh down.

Hell, actually, that's like saying no FF'er can take any Pokemon down, as Ho-oh can ressurect them at will.

Also, Ho-oh >>>> Phoenix.

Ho-oh actually resurrects the dead (ask Raikou, Entei, and Suicune).

lol, Uxie opens it's eyes, and all of team FF forgets everything they have ever known.

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1. It matters because the only thing keeping the matter they created in existence was the Unown, so why could they not destroy it?

2. Hyperbole. no expression

3. Well Neo ExDeath is one with the Void, a universal reality eraser, as is Cloud of Darkness.

Lol. Dialga and Palkia control the aspects of time and space respectively, both are nothing before the Void.


1. Entei existed still after the Unown had left.

2. That's why I said PIS. The Entei situation is essentially using the out of control power of the Unown against the out of control power of the Unown. Yet Entei was able to conquer the barrier the Unown had around them.

3. Well stopping the Void can't be all that difficult if it happened.

Dialga and Palkia > Time and Space. Dialga and Palkia can exist without Time and Space, vice versa does not work.

So does anyone know how the Void was stopped?


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1. Entei existed still after the Unown had left.

2. That's why I said PIS. The Entei situation is essentially using the out of control power of the Unown against the out of control power of the Unown. Yet Entei was able to conquer the barrier the Unown had around them.

3. Well stopping the Void can't be all that difficult if it happened.

Dialga and Palkia > Time and Space. Dialga and Palkia can exist without Time and Space, vice versa does not work.

So does anyone know how the Void was stopped?
Let's not forget that Dialga and Palkia both possess the ability to completely recreate the universe.

Screw the Void. Giratina snatches these mofos into the Reverse World (in the anime, it is shown to be totally inescapable by any means other than Shaymin's Seed Flare or Giratina itself.) Giratina could decimate team FF without ever leaving the Reverse World.

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Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
okay, this is how I see it.... The Pokemon have the FF universe unfairly matched in numbers, but alot of them are useless when it comes to fighting, and it won't take long for their numbers to diminish.
The black mages will be a huge advantage in this fight because they have a large range of elemental attacks that would take out stronger opponents.The blk mages would split up into diff teams and focus on specific elements at a time, using their elemental weaknesses to take them out. The FF teams have abilities and equipment that can give them the edge in this fight too by making all elemental attacks, and physical attacks weaker on them, and equipment that heal them when they get hit by an elemental attack.( earth eater, lightning eater, etc.).
The smaller pokemon, like pika, meowth, bellsprout, warturtle, etc. would be cut to shreads by characters like Cloud, Squall, Lightning, Zidane, Cecil, etc.
After a few minutes the only pokemon that would be left alive is the physics, legendaries, and ancients. I still don't see them beating the FF verse. FF FTW.


Deoxys (or Ninjask, or Electrode, or just about any Pokemon with ExtremeSpeed) would own the Black Mages before they could think, much less, cast a spell.

Pikachus and Meowths are non-factors. Pokemon like Machamp and Alakazam would overrun the FF verse. Legendaries seriously outgun the top tier of FF.


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if the pokemon's attacks are so powerful, then why is it when they win a match...they are only able to manage to faint their opponents?(manga is much more brutal, but idk if it counts)
At least when the FF universes magic is used in a fight, it kills the desired targets. stick out tongue


The purpose of a Pokemon battle isn't to kill the opponent.

That is analogous to saying "If UFC fighters are such good fighters, why are fighters usually knocked out instead of killed?"

Pokemon can be killed in a battle, (ex: in R/B when a Marowak is killed battling Team Rocket,) but in general, they are recalled by their Trainer once they are too injured to battle.

Anyway, if this is the whole Pokemon universe (meaning multiple Pokemon of the same species), team FF (including Sin) are goners. Even if it were only 492 Pokemon vs Team FF, they're outgunned (and seriously outsped) by Pokemon like Mewtwo, Ho-oh, Deoxys, Dialga, and Palkia. Giratina, Darkrai, the list goes one. The Pokemon are too powerful, fast and versatile.

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Blue almost kills Koga's Arbok in the Manga. Pokemon can die, they just aren't killed in battling. Pokemon battling is akin to a sport.


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Blue almost kills Koga's Arbok in the Manga. Pokemon can die, they just aren't killed in battling. Pokemon battling is akin to a sport.
MewTwo and Deoxys were also clearly playing hard, what with impaling each other and shit.


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I officially hate war threads. Too many factors are easily forgotten.

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I believe this......


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I believe this to be false. Pokemon can get hax. Pokemon can do this too. Heck, having a mixed team could render this near useless.



An example would be Magickarp, feebass, caterpie, etc.....alot of the pokemon wouldn't be able to do much to the FF verse, they would be wiped out alot faster than the stonger ones would survive. It isn't false.

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Pokemon can do this too. Heck, having a mixed team could render this near useless.


As a team, yes they could fight like them, but it wouldn't make this strategy useless. It's like quality vs quantity. Most Pokemon, by themselves only have one type of element they can use, only some have mixed ones, and most of them have a specific weakness. All of the black mages, by themselves, have most of the elemental magic they need to take them out. If they split up into teams, focusing on certain types of pokemon, it would definitely work to their advantage. Pokemon are also affected by status effects...the black mages have those too, and a lot more than just the ones in Pokemon games... like stopga, painga, fogga, dispel, imperilga, etc. Alot of them can be AoE attacks too.That would make a lot of the pokemon they fight helpless against their magic.


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Pokemon have stuff like this as basic abilities. One of them, called Lightning Rod, causes all electric attacks to hit the pokemon with the Lightning Rod ability. Of course, it is often found in ground types, who are immune to electric attacks. Flash Fire makes them get stronger when hit with fire attacks. Water absorb heals them when hit by water. That's just off the top of my head.



Yes, certain pokemon do have hold items and abilities that will give them a similiar advantage, but that is only certain ones, and for specific elements. The FF verse can get a much wider range of protection and healing from different kinds of elements with their equipment, not just one. Again, this is like quality vs quantity.


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Depends on level, really. Even the weakest ones can learn very powerful attacks. Still, putting FF's strong guys against weaklings will distract them well enough.


True lvl does matter. They can learn powerful attacks if they are trained enough, but the attacks are still weaker than what they would have been if they were in their evolved states. (ex. I have a lvl 100 pichu, Pikachu, and Raichu on my Pokemon games....Raichu is easily the stongest, his stats make his attacks put the other two's to shame)
They would last long enough to be a distraction.

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I doubt this, too. Ho-OH revives all the dead and this starts over.


White mages and summoners can do this too, Ho-oh isn't really anything special. (ex raise, pheonix summon, all of the summons from 13, etc. Also, the pheonix downs, and pinions, could be used by the other FF verse characters to bring the white mages back if they fell.
Zindane would trance and cut Ho-oh to pieces, or use his dyne abilities to kill it off, to keep it from bringing them back to life again. Then the black mages would just kill them just as easily as the first time they died.

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Pokemon are very very hard to kill.

Not really...in the games pokemon can one hit other pokemon when they use an attack that gives them an elemental advantage, and some elemental attacks can one hit them even if it isn't their weakness, unless they are immune against it.
If we can use the manga... iv'e seen an Arbok get decapitated from a charmeleon hitting it with it's tail, and deoxys was impaled by mewtwo
(idk if it killed it, but it wasn't able to fight anymore) Breaking it's crystal, and decapitations wouldn't be a problem with any FF character that has a sword. I've also seen an onix get dismantled by a thuderbolt.....Thundaga should have the same effect. I've never read the manga so i've only seen a few deaths in it, but i know its more brutal than the Anime and games so I'd say there is a loot more we could use.

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And they have too much stuff, too many variables, to actually list.


lol yeah i know. FF has the same problem...... this is gonna be a long thread sad

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Deoxys (or Ninjask, or Electrode, or just about any Pokemon with ExtremeSpeed) would own the Black Mages before they could think, much less, cast a spell.

Pikachus and Meowths are non-factors. Pokemon like Machamp and Alakazam would overrun the FF verse. Legendaries seriously outgun the top tier of FF.




The purpose of a Pokemon battle isn't to kill the opponent.

That is analogous to saying "If UFC fighters are such good fighters, why are fighters usually knocked out instead of killed?"

Pokemon can be killed in a battle, (ex: in R/B when a Marowak is killed battling Team Rocket,) but in general, they are recalled by their Trainer once they are too injured to battle.

Anyway, if this is the whole Pokemon universe (meaning multiple Pokemon of the same species), team FF (including Sin) are goners. Even if it were only 492 Pokemon vs Team FF, they're outgunned (and seriously outsped) by Pokemon like Mewtwo, Ho-oh, Deoxys, Dialga, and Palkia. Giratina, Darkrai, the list goes one. The Pokemon are too powerful, fast and versatile.



Saboteurs from FF13 casts imperilga, painga, stopga, and fogga. These are all AoE attacks. Your precious legendaries wouldn't be able to do anything while the ravengers and black mages take out the weaker pokemon with their magic.

I already said that it could be used as a gameplay mechanic, just because they say faint instead of dead when you win battles doesn't mean you didn't beat them.

Yeah, i know that it means multiple pokemon, ScreamPaste said....

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EVERY POKEYMANZ EVAR, except Arceus. (See ungodly raep).


I don't think that the legendaries would apply though, im pretty sure there is only one copy of them.
(Except Lugia. In the series you see the one from the second movie that can talk, and you see a mother Lugia and a baby Lugia in the episodes. Thats the only one I'm sure of though)

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