Luke benefits from great exploration of his abilities in canon and PIS. See below.
This happened during events of DE? As far as I recall, Luke deflected the firepower of an AT-AT using his lightsaber back at it which resulted in AT-AT suffering damage from its own firepower. Afterwards, Luke managed to down the AT-AT with his Force abilities by unbalancing it from its front two legs. The feat on the whole is impressive but it isn't exclusive to Luke. I recall that Galen and Vader have comparable showings. In fact, it can argued that a powerful Force-user can pull off this kind of feat without much difficulty.
When did this happen? I recall Luke destroying a large statue of Vader but this feat isn't exclusive to him either.
Is this the feat involving him manipulating an artificially created micro black hole? This is arguably the most impressive feat of Luke but he was pushed to his limits. Still, if a mortal can pull off this kind of feat, why not an immortal with relatively greater reserves of energies?
Revan and Marr have comparable but unexplored histories.
Example of an extreme hyperbole, which shouldn't be taken literally. Manipulating an artificially created micro black hole was arguably the hardest task Luke ever accomplished with his own raw power; he doesn't stands a chance against a cosmic entity like a supermassive black hole, which packs unthinkable power (such kind of black hole can devour gigantic stars easily and possibly worse).
Luke possibly became twice as strong as cybernetic Vader.
Caedus surpassed cybernetic Vader in power (which isn't a big deal for any gifted Force-user by the way) but I doubt that he surpassed G-canon incarnation of Sidious in power so this still leaves noticeable power gap between him and Luke.
Impressive but still not on the level of greatest display of telekinetic feats in the mythos.
Sidious and Vitiate have enormous history of fooling and manipulating lot of individuals in the galaxy; even whole orders for long periods.
This is an example of a talent and not directly indicative of raw power potential.
Vitiate was also a master of illusions; he could go as far as to replicate realistic duplicate of himself during combat situations and possibly better. I don't know much about Sidious's skill in this aspect but he was talented enough to learn a lot about dark side through sheer force of his will.
This is also an example of a talent and not directly indicative of raw power potential.
Any example?
Talents not exclusive to him. Individuals (below Vitiate and Sidious) possessed these capabilities.
So Luke eventually learned Vaapad or developed a combat style similar to it?
I recall Kas'im also possibly reaching this stage in dueling aspects.
ROTJ Vader was actually restricted in martial aspects of combat due to his cybernetic condition.
Interesting! No doubt that Luke is among the finest swordsmen in the whole mythos but who is the finest is hard to determine.
Not a good example to consider in this kind of debate. MTU once knocked out Alek with a single blow.
With his power in the Force? Well, we have comparable or superior showings from Nihilus and Jadus (both are inferior to Vitiate).
He became a master of illusions then...
This is also an example of a talent and not directly indicative of raw power potential.
Impressive! Vitiate severed the connection of a proper Sith Lord at the age of 10. It is reasonable to assume that Vitiate could do better at later ages.
Nice effort but you are mixing Force Mastery with raw power.
They have...
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I always thought that the Living Force and Potentium principles of the Jedi Order should have been used. That these principles could allow them to utilized Dark Side abilities like Midi-chlorian manipulation to create an Aryan/Nephilim elitist Jedi Order worthy of defending all beings in the galaxy against any Sith or conflict. Such an order of Jedi would be almost limitless in capacity.
It could also make a wicked Rule of Two. The master conceives the apprentice to be better after discovering his/her own weaknesses first-hand. Producing REALLY powerful Sith.
Anyway, the most powerful non-deity was Vitiate. The most powerful deity in canon would have been the foremost of the Celestial Force Wielders (I.E. Father) sent out to represent the will of the Force by keeping the balance of Their children in order in whatever galaxy they inhabited.
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Luke's manipulation of the micro-black hole wasn't comparable to harnessing Force crystals to CAUSE A SUPERNOVA and potentially FLING A STAR'S CORE. Sidious' ability to CREATE WORMHOLES was very impressive. Darth Nihilus CONSUMING HUNDREDS OF JEDI was another impressive showing.
All of these are showings of astronomical esoteric power, of which Vitiate was the King. He knew all the secrets, he has the greatest mastery of the Force. He's the greatest sorcerer...only surpassed by the duplicity of Plagueis and Sidious, and their ability to off-balance the Force with the great ritual that created life (Anakin Skywalker) .
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False. Luke is literally moving planetary levels of mass at that point. (I think this is one of those cases, like when Bane duels a rainstorm, where the writers just didn't think it through.)
My understanding is that if Earth transforms in to a black hole, it would have a diameter of 0.017 m. But the sheer size of this black whole would be equivalent to Earth really?
Only huge stars or cosmic events transform in to black holes after their demise. Small objects, as per cosmic standards, do not transform in to black holes.
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Also, Vong black holes are not as powerful as natural black holes. They are artificially created defensive mechanism for Vong ships which diminish quickly after absorbing something.
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It was a thought experiment for comparison's sake. The supermassive black holes in galaxy centers are billions time more amssive than the sun. But nowhere near the spatial volume. That's the whole point to black holes.
Get it? "Point"? hur hur.
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Ejected mass-energy aside, conservation of energy (and mass) suggests that it would have equivalent mass (and gravitational pull).
And since YV singularities can significantly direct even turbolaser bolts, the same bolts that are capable of, presumably through some anti-grav mechanism or by possibly being massless,effectively ignoring an Earth-size planet's gravity entirely (they don't visibly arc over even long distances). So it's actually possible that its far, far larger.
"unexplored" aside, nobody has ever demonstrated the ability to slaughter entire armies in the level of Skywalker in The Unifying Force.
No, the text makes it clear that the author is trying really hard to communicate "Luke literally can't be moved" without resorting to such cheesy dialogue, from "the very essence of an immovable object" to steadily progressing descriptions of forces that cannot move him to an extent far greater than what would be used if it were just a random, offhand hyperbole.
This is the most impressive feat in the mythos.
RotJ Vader is 80% of Palpatine.
It's certainly a big deal to surpass 80% of Palpatine, and by your own math, Luke would have surpassed Palpatine himself.
You are right. The greatest telekinetic feat in the mythos goes to Luke Skywalker, and Kyp Durron.
Because said orders didn't solidly know about their existence.
Not really, since plenty of Force users know how to generate illusions. But, aside from Abeloth and some adepts of the White Current, nobody has matched Luke, despite his really only having sporadically learned it.
Luke has done this with entire starships.
In Invincible, he predicts precisely what would happen on a Jedi strike mission, and knew that his son would get captured. He also predicted what would happen if he were to kill Caedus himself (he would win, but would fall to the dark side...he knew this not by deduction, but foresight), and then goes on to jam Caedus's visions by meditating so hard, Caedus began getting false premonitions of Luke defeating him and taking his throne.
Uh...no. Neither know shatterpoint, or fold space.
Looks like it. Pretty impressive, since all evidence suggests that Mace Windu took the style to his grave.
He certainly didn't develop vaapad a thousand years before Windu had, and Kas'im had been described as "maybe the best swordsman ever"...the difference is that Luke gets this accolade (by a far more experienced observer) after a thousand years of the greatest duelists so far, and is also prodigiously strong in the Force.
Yet he is still more powerful than he's ever been (as Vader), yet as early as TFU he could match Galen Marek in a duel, whose technique is described as "almost perfect", and who, while not as powerful as he would become, could give Shaak Ti a good fight with just his lightsaber.
Now, notice that this Luke had only a few years of extremely informal training, followed by a few months of rushed instruction from Yoda.
Well, he's certainly above Vitiate, that's for sure.
Right. And Meetra once did the same to Vitiate.
The "proper" modifier doesn't overshadow the fact that said sith lord was not remarkable at all, but rather apparently the ruler of a portion of an insignificant planet.
But it's obvious from context that Jaina wasn't asking Luke about a universal technique, given that she had just witnessed Caedus using what she thought to be a lost, rare ability to shatter beskar armor with a tap.
He was using a form that approximated vaapad. Great minds think alike.
Luke looked out at the incoming pirates, a sudden tightening sensation in his stomach. There were many options, of course. He could reach out with the Force and damage the ships’ control surfaces, crippling them. He might even be able to wrench off whole hull plates or deform the weapons emplacements, tearing them apart with the Force alone. Or he could simply reach inside to the crews’ minds, turning them into helpless observers or even forcing them to surrender. For a Jedi Master with the Force as his ally, there were no limits. No limits at all.
These ships were:
Artoo beeped uncertainly, and a list appeared on Luke’s sensor scope. Two mangled-looking Corellian gunships, an old but impressively big Kaloth battlecruiser with an equally old KDY a-4 ion cannon welded awkwardly to its bow, and five Corsair-class assault starfighters. The whole group of them were in encirclement formation, closing on a pair of medium transports a few kilometers below and ahead.
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