I'm not even sure if it's a skill-based power. I think he's simply a metahuman.
His durability to stuff like an explosion also seems rather high.
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Oh, one other proposed change: I'd like to bump the Twelve Brothers in Silk down to tier 3. They were said to be 'near Shiva,' but I think only Rabbit lived up to it. Dinah's team of 7 was able to hold them off pretty well.
Twelve tier 3 fighters of course (perhaps with a few tier 2s in there), still being an absolutely terrifying combat group.
I was always under the assumption that Drakon was "metahuman" only insomuch as Cass or others in the Top Tier were. Most of them have their own feats of incredible physicality.
Some of his feats make me think otherwise. Grabbing dozens of arrows as fast as Connor and Mia could fire them all with his fingertips and not moving his body. Likewise getting multiple shafts at once from Ollie.
Connor could keep up with Shiva and Cass, who're about as fast as you can get (and really Cassandra strains 'peak human' to the limit as-is). He could barely see most of Drakon's moves, and there's times when he's talking to an arrow, they try something, and he's suddenly on the other side of the room.
The explosion thing again. He was caught full-on by an explosion and came out of it with *no* visible damage except for some missing hair (which might've been from the glue arrow that he got!) and the kind of bandaids you use to hide shaving cuts. No burns. No signs of damage from the arrow that went through his foot either. That's either super toughness or a healing factor.
He's got some crazy strength for his size too, but that's less obviously super. Still, casually carrying a guy twice your weight at arms length out a window is possibly metahuman as well.
That kind of difference screams "this is a martial artist who is also superhuman" to me. Stopping arrows from the Arrow family? Believable. All of them? Also believable, but really difficult. Doing it while not dodging or spending apparent effort all with the finger tips while these are fired by 100+ lb draw bows? Treating it almost like a bore? Ehh... if that's not superhuman, then he's uber tier, not top tier.
On this inquiry... would Mantis' liberal use of precog with her fighting nullify her placement? I support this. Definitely not misjudging. I support all of this (although Mar-vell is a moot point now). Also curious as to should Gamora come down, who would rise to take her spot? I support this. I support this.
I wouldn't say so. I don't think it's not constant Ravager/Threeboot Dream Girl "I know all your next moves" stuff most of the time. More visions of the future stuff. Iirc she hasn't always had such a powerful array of psychics either.
She can still nerve-strike out Thor and that's pure skill. Heck, there's only a few top-tiers that I think could pull off some of her fights even if they had added pre-cog.
I just can't support Gamora as uber. It's one thing to have skill based power i.e. Temugin or Iron Fist, it's another to have enhancement based skills. And ya'll know I lovez me some Gamora.
^ Her enhancements don't have anything to do with her equal mastery of armed and unarmed techniques from AT LEAST 83.4% of known space faring cultures as per the Worldmind. She's just that adept. Even side by side with Mantis, her enhancements still play second fiddle to her skill, e.g., Guardians of the Galaxy #24.
^^^ I hear ya, but ehhh. It's tough. Forgot about the WM dossier. I must concede I'm pretty tough on artifically enhanced MA'ers in these types of threads, but you raise a good point.
Some other suggestions:
Add Ulik to Third Tier
Add Absorbing Man to Fourth Tier
Add Vargas to Second Tier
Add Black Adam and Billy Batson to Fourth Tier
Swap places between David Cain and Bane
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