I think it's up to the denizens of the thread to determine whether or not things like chi factor into placement in general or not, (or even on a case-by-case basis, although a general rule would be preferable, imo).
I'm going to change my vote on Drakon from "Move to second tier" to "move to second OR uber tier".
Because if his speed is super, then he hasn't demonstrated TT skill. If it's not and he's just that good, then he was so overwhelming a top tier barely put up a fight! Out of the top tiers, only the very best of 'em would have a chance.
So if people don't think he's powered, he should move up.
Why swap? If you think Bane's good enough for second, Cain doesn't have to go down, and Cain's able to give top tiers a very good fight when he's not drunk, imo pretty clearly second.
I guess I feel like Bane deserves that spot much more. You're right, Cain doesn't have to go down but I personally don't see how he's better or even equal to Bane who even without Venom gives Top Tiers serious fights consistently.
Edit: Also I vote we add Harley Quinn to Fourth Tier.
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Last edited by Omega Vision on May 6th, 2010 at 09:52 PM
I think historically Iron Fist has more then enough high end non chi amped feats to warrant his current placement. The chi skills push him over the top, but no more or less then any others.
I already stated my reasoning though. I guess I can put up some scans when the semester ends. I figured we had enough Wildcats readers that I wouldn't have to though.
Charis Adrastea from Wildstorm.
Also, which Savant do you mean Pr?
Last edited by StyleTime on May 7th, 2010 at 08:46 PM
Sorry if I wasn't clear. Yes I'm still backing bumping him up. Absolutely. Especially considering most objections against him can be used against most of the upper tier characters on the list.
Last edited by dmills on May 8th, 2010 at 02:35 AM
@Q99,
No. The knowledge gained from the Book of the Iron fist has helped him increase his skills dramatically. He's doing things without amping that he was never able to do before.
I didn't notice any non-chi feats that I wouldn't have thought him already capable of in the series (admittedly, I haven't read a lot of IF in the years before IIF).
He was able to bust open Luke Cage without amping (though he amped for the final ko). He defeated the IF killer non-amped, fighting while in a meditative state etc.
Fighting while in a meditative state is a neat trick but it doesn't really imply higher HtH skills. And he could always outfight Luke. I would think he was strengthening himself with chi even before using the fist, but I don't think it suggests change in his technique level.
Then you have to justify Mandarin and Temugin being uber tier. Otherwise I have to insist that either Iron Fist goes up or that they come down. Even non current IF has more feats the them.
I say move them down then. because on a pure skill basis I think he is in the right spot with his peers. I mean assuming the chi skills and stuff arent being taken in account.
Hey, I'm not one of the ones who voted them up there
All I know is non-chi'ed up, Danny still strikes me as a top-tier, and we can't really base votes on other votes made when the rules might've been a bit different.
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