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Should probably just eliminate the cosmic tier entirely. None of Karate Kod, Gamora or Mantis are treated as markedly above other top tier MAs anymore.

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Should probably just eliminate the cosmic tier entirely. None of Karate Kod, Gamora or Mantis are treated as markedly above other top tier MAs anymore.


Even back when the thread was made, it was just mindless wank.


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Meh, there was more to base it on at least. Either way it’s not the case today.

This thread concept is probably ultimately flawed anyways though. It’s all just ABC logic. Comparing skill of Marvel and DC chars is mostly guesswork because they never actually fight each other.

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I think we can safely drop Cable down a tier. Probably Domino and Midnighter as well. I feel like powers/enhancement come into to play too much there.

I wouldn't mind dropping the folks out of cosmic tier either. And dissolving it like Smurph said if we can't think of replacements.

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Shouldn't these threads be merged?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...mp;pagenumber=1


Different forum sections, different authors.

But sure, after all that time, why not.


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a rare 80+ page thread, quite remarkable

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I think we can safely drop Cable down a tier.


Askani martial arts > you and your posts

Cable is weird. He usually relies either on his powers or weapons, but he's also got that "tough old man" thing going on, which inexplicably allows him to go toe to toe with the likes of Wolverine or Omega Red.


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Different forum sections, different authors.

But sure, after all that time, why not.
I can merge them if you guys want, but it seems like this thread pretty much replaced the other thread anyway. /shrug


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That it did.

xmarksthespot even links to the original thread in his op:

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So...

I decided to recreate this thread, with actual defined rules/criteria for determining placement.

Since the other seemed largely derailed and without structure since the last time I read through it...

But here is a link to the previous thread for reference.


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thumb up

If anything the original thread should just be closed, but after all these years... Why bother?


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Where would you guys put Thomas Wayne?


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Should probably just eliminate the cosmic tier entirely. None of Karate Kod, Gamora or Mantis are treated as markedly above other top tier MAs anymore.



Beyond top tier. Val is a legitimate contender with Daxamites.

A real fight with streets would look like this:


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Val is like butter spread on too much bread.

Too many versions that don't share each other's feats.

And he lacks essential showings that we use to assess one's prowess with martial arts --- fights against other MA combatants with established position.


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Yeah, but they all have examples of reaction and striking feats well beyond Batmans.


The weakest Val has this:


https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qi...183ab31bd77c0d0
That's a literal building hill he just cleared away with one punch. Nobody should be able to block that, let alone tank it.


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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.

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Yeah, but they all have examples of reaction and striking feats well beyond Batmans.


You'd be hard-pressed to prove it.

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The weakest Val has this:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qi...183ab31bd77c0d0
That's a literal building hill he just cleared away with one punch. Nobody should be able to block that, let alone tank it.


So?

Karnak has dozens of similar feats and he's considered one of the worst martial artists the MU has to offer.

Mandarin strikes hard enough to pierce Tony's armors and trains himself to strike even harder... and his actual combat performance leaves much to be desired.

Try again.



Also, this feat was re-posted 1,000,000 times --- so now I'm sure KK is a nobody who would get his ass handed to him by the likes of Night Trasher and Prowler.


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Karnak jobs

He also doesn't have the speed to go with his striking.


Mandarin is far from a nobody, if any street except one with an Iron Fist beats him he's jobbing.


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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.

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Karnak jobs

He also doesn't have the speed to go with his striking.


It's not jobbing if it's constant portrayal.

And he does have the speed:

1. https://imgur.com/IKbfhe0
2. https://imgur.com/i4Rm4Lc

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Mandarin is far from a nobody, if any street except one with an Iron Fist beats him he's jobbing.


Man, you should really learn to do your research first.

Tony took his gauntlets off and punched him out.


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Yeah, but they all have examples of reaction and striking feats well beyond Batmans.


I wouldn't say well beyond....


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Punched out a guy who deflected bullets with chains and tanks power armor punches.



Not jobbing at all.


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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.

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