Eh?, there was the ref and two linesmen, and it was plainly obvious that the ball hit the wall because it changed direction.
If there were fouls over couple of minutes what do you expect, if he had let the game go it would have ended in a brawl. In fact he should have send of a couple of Dutch players for certain, especially this from De Jong. definite red card!!
True Howard Webb is one the best refs in the game right now. A lesser ref would probably have given a couple of more red cards. Look at what he had to deal with with Robben screaming in his ear after he didn't whistle for some soft contact. A few more common sense refs like him and the overall tournament would've been better.
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Iboga chose not to fight, to allow himself to evolve. He had the wisdom to abandon the actions of war when he knew they would no longer serve him.
Either way, whether you support Holland or Spain we can all agree that the FIFA should finally start working on ''technological support'' for the referee's.
Video replay sure, but I don't think you need technology for the ball hitting the wall. World Cup final or not, mistakes like that happen all the time. The only real mistake in the game was Lampard's goal, and I'm not just saying that because I'm English.
Do you honestly think I'm such a chauvinistic prick that I suddenly decide to support video replay just because of that incident? I was looking back at the World Cup in general. It was marked by gamechanging incidents that shouldn't (Tevez' goal) or should have (Lampard's 'would be' goal) been. As I said, the action preceding Iniesta's goal was offside, but they deserved to win anyway.
That and shitty performances from numerous goalies.
Some sort of Techology is required, not only for the world cup but the Champions & other leagues because there is sooo much money in the game now that a bad decision could cost a club millions.
Lampards disallowed goal was bad ok, but does anyone seriously thing it would have changed the outcome, or have been the turning point for Englands pathetic performances?
No he wasn't. I don't remember who gave the pass, but Iniesta was offside. Mathijssen managed to clear it though, but played it right back into Spanish feet. They passed it to Iniesta again but this time he wasn't offside. Either they didn't see it at all, or they didn't decide to act on it because Mathijssen cleared it. If the latter was the case he should've whistled because there was no advantage for us. Either way, we were ****ed over in that situation, however I'm not bitter over it as I've expressed earlier that I think Spain ultimately deserved the win anyway.
If he wasnīt actively going for the ball, or got the ball when the pass was played and another player from the other team did get the ball then offside isnīt called.
Yes it is. The pass was meant for Iniesta and if the ref called it offside at that moment, the Dutch wouldn't have been in any problems. This warrants an calling an offside, unless the Dutch would be in the advantage after the clearing which they weren't. Don't get into it with me about the exact rules of the game, as I've proven you wrong in the past. I've done a refereeing course to referee junior games at my local amateur club, as I've told you before. Might not be of the same expertise as Howard Webb, but the rules are the rules. I'm not blaming him for it as it's always a lot more hectic on the pitch than when watching it on tv. Fact is though, it was an offside he should've whistled for.
PS. by juniors I mean kids between the C and A age-levels which are kids between the ages of 15-19. Just to clarify that it was necessary for me to study the offside rules.
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