Tyrant's base power level is not on the same level as Galactus. Through the traits given to him by Galactus, Tyrant can attain levels of power approaching Galactus, but they do not originate in Tyrant. As a matter of fact, Tyrant's threat level us entirely dependant on the amount of energy he has stolen from others.
Tyrant can b cut-off from external power sources. This can result in his power diminishing to a point near high-herald level.
Classic Mangog's power originated from him. From the billion billion godlike beings within him. (His ability to draw power frim other emotional sources were only recognized later). The only way he could b defeated was through Odin's ability to reverse/unmake that which he made. Period.
Regardless of attempts to debunk the wording in Mangog's initial appearances, he was described as a threat level well above Odin. Throughout the stories, we constant got reminded of this fact by Odin and Mangog himself.
Unless somebody can find sources explaining how all of this was put in a book as a deception, or a panel where Odin says, "i was only foolin around. Mangog is no big deal". We will stick with the wording of the stories, as ee do for all the other similar character situations in this forum. He is what the books say he is.
Thanos easily weathered a full assault from Tyrant. From Odin, not so much. Odin is well above Tyrant's normal power level. And, no, the SINGLE POWER SPHERE, of ONE SINGLE BEING that Thanos was holding, not even knowing what it was, did not hold off Tyrant's attack. If it did, Tyrant is obviously too stupid to utilize the thousands of spheres he was hoarding.
Tyrant's history is actually similar to Mangog with a few differences that lean in Mangog's favor.
Both r surrounded by stories and descriptions from a distant past that never appeared in a book. Those stories and descriptions create a profile with instant "battle-cred".
Those unseen stories describe both characters as threats to incredibly powerful characters.
The difference is, Mangog actually shows up and Odin starts crapping, explaining, hiding and getting beaten up. (And, basically, has never been seen doing that stuff in a book again).
Again, Tyrant, not so much.
Tyrant basically spent his appearances creeping around, stealing power from other characters, so he could get more powerful. With each character escape, Tyrant became much more of a little sissy-child, leaving many of us feeling bad for him and how his daddy treated him. (Sorry, i just couldnt hold that stuff in any longer.)
There's plenty more if anybody would like seconds.
He's freakin weak. Weak ass energy vampire, kidknapper, chewin his shirt. Original Mangog would simply tear Tyrant apart, shrugging off his pansy-beam attacks until there were no more. Maybe from time to time, transmuting part of Tyrant's physical makeup into spagetti, or encasing him, or parts of him in varying forms of solid matter.
Or, he might just want to physically tear Tyrant apart from his head to the end of his extension cord corn-rows.
One thing is for sure, Mangog is not going to b interested in listening to Tyrant throwing a fit because Galactus wouldn't let him breastfeed! Or trying to intimidate Mangog with stories of how powerful he got to b once upon a time. He will tell Tyrant to man-up, then begin the show.
While waiting for useless, wishfull-thinking, ill-informed, opinion-based , panel-ignoring, denial-ridden responses, Mangog causually walks up behind Tyrant, as he struggles to crawl away, whimpering on all fours, his shiny, kicked buttocks wiggling sadly.
Mangog grumbles something about a "billion billion beings", grabs a fistful of metal ponytails and gives Tyrant an old-school prostate kick from the rear. As Tyrant collapses, 2 very small energy spheres clink to the ground. Tyrant squeaks, "Daddy?".
Now you are trolling. You didn't address my rebuttal at all. You are arguing around it and ignoring it entirely. Please stop.
Tyrant is not a peer of Galactus. I can beat Superman with kryptonite. This does make me his peer. Drax was never Thanos peer.
Basically, you are ignoring the fact of how Tyrant is able to compete with Galactus. It's due to a plot device that isn't present with Mangog.
Tyrant is able to drain Galactus energy to make himself become a peer.
Tyrant can't do that to anyone else. He needs machines to drain others.
He can feed directly off Galactus live. If it wasn't for that Galactus would easily stomp Tyrant. You see he punked Tyrant in their first physical encounter, until Tyrant started draining him. This made Tyrant more powerful and Galactus weaker. The tables were turning. This is a plot device since Tyrant can't do that to anyone else except Galactus.
Mangog busted a mountain. This gives him at least high Herald level strength. I didn't know this feat before I stated what I stated. But I never disputed his durability. I still stand by it.
Mangog feeds off negative emotions. That only can be a relevant factor here.
Galactus uses machines to drain planets as well, but that doesn't mean that he can't do so without the machines. Tyrant said that he drained biospheric energy, which probably isn't a word. The closest thing to what he meant was bio energy, or in other words living energy. Mangog is a living being, or beings in a gestalt, or fused state. His mind games won't work on a being like Tyrant, just like they wouldn't work on a well satiated Galactus.
Odin would not even come close to defeating a satiated Galactus unless he had Mjolnir (who hates his guts).
Galactus would eat a planet with a billion, billion beings on it like it was pie. Yes or No?
I'm trying to figure out why Tyrant is supposed to be so weak? Was it because he was nullified? How many others would have joined him if the light was turned their way? Was he supposed to no sell a strike from Galactus that would have likely slapped the starch out of Odin?
Look at how long Odin fought against Thanos, Thanos needed a power source to even begin to compete with Tyrant, and once he'd gotten what he went there for, he fled the scene. Odin went round and round with a Thanos clone who had nothing amplifying his might.
Galactus nearly turned Thanos into a cinder in seconds, pushing his shields beyond tolerance. No way are these guys on the same level. You're talking about cosmic forces of nature vs a race on or near Eternal level. Asgardians aren't true Gods. Guys like Scrier would pummel Odin or Mangog. Tyrant was written to be on Galactus' level. He's just on another level.
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This is why you should go back and re read every book with Tyrant in it. It specifically stated that he was made to be Galactus' equal. Tyrant later mentions that whenever Galactus feeds on a planet, he grew weaker, which would make Tyrant his direct opposite, and not the Inbetweener as others previously thought. This is what originally set them at odds in the first place. Mangog, and Odin are not on this level. They're on a level below Tyrant and Galactus.
Exactly. These scans need to be posted as many times as possible to make the Tyrant lowballers understand just how powerful he was :
A FED Galactus takes Tyrant by surprise and backs down from a fight, despite the fact that he didn't get the ONE thing he was after - his herald Morg. Ron Marz wrote this issue. (please log in to view the image)
Galactus feeds on a planet that made him feel more powerful than he's felt in ages and tells Morg that if he's gonna fight Tyrant it's got to fight him on Galactus' home turf where he has the advantage. Mike Lackey wrote this issue. (please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)
Two different writers, same conclusion : Galactus fears and respects "DP" Tyrant's power and needs to prep and feast before facing off against him.
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..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
Some was just posted and your brilliant response was, nuh uh. No, Odin didn't outperform Tyrant per Thanos' own words. Did you ever read both fights ? Seriously. Your ignorance is showing.
Great Fight, but I have to go with Tyrant. Mangog is a powerhouse, but he's been stopped before. Tyrant is virtually unstoppable and was only truly defeated the first time by Galactus, then destroyed by the Ultimate Nullifier.
Thanos didn't truly defeat Tyrant, he used one of his own Biospheres against him then escaped as he didn't wish to continue the conflict. Tyrant would have eventually slaughtered Thanos had Thanos decided to stay and fight.
There is a misconception about Tyrant. He was more powerful in his latter years than he was when Galactus originally defeated him, and even that may have been Galactus having to resort to a plot item to win.
Tyrant amassed power sources beyond belief over the centuries since his original confrontation with Galactus which is what I'm basing this claim on.
If you read the entire story and understood it, you would know that there was no such thing as a Depowered Tyrant, unless we were talking about the very day of his defeat all of those centuries ago. To even argue that Tyrant was on a Sky Father's level is folly when it stated that Tyrant at his conception was the equal of Galactus, but then to drive the stake home, he goes out collecting myriads upon myriads of power orbs that he extracted from the living beings that were unfortunate enough to have a run in with him. Much like the heroes of Earth when he captured them and began the draining process.
Comprehending this point is crucial if you want to get the full picture of just how powerful Tyrant was. Galactus was losing after having stated that he hadn't felt that good in a very long period of time. That's on panel evidence that this Depowered Tyrant nick name is based solely on superficial opinion based on a judgment of Tyrants stature.
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