Lol ok. The 'Lumiya > Sidious' was meant as a critique of the discussions I was reading in this thread (my own attempt at sarcasm). I wasn't trying to make a case for the Lum > Sid.
Sidious - deceived the galaxy, ruled until his right-hand man pussed out because of his son.
Lumiya - was a hand, and ADMITTED Sidous' superiority.
And yea, Luke is obviously one of my favorite characters. I do like seeing his shortfalls throughout the series. After all, it would be silly to make him look like some Superman, or god.
No offense meant to HWKN from my previous post.
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What you say has no sense gideon, you are very very ambiguous.
Indeed, according to you, environment isn't a advantage, but you think that luke wins against lumiya because of environment.
So much I have learned from this thread, I'm curious about this DE sidious.
were sidious non contaminated yothful clone bodies just as powerful as his original body?
How good was he with a lightsaber in de?
Also I saw a pictur of him from a comic, and he is dressed in apearel that looks like ninja garb, was this what he wore?
Can a jedi/sith tk crush some one in a saber fight? Like raise their hand and crush their neck killing them? If so why do they not do this! And how powerful would someone need to be to do this to yoda? Could de sidious do it if the plot of not being ridiculous didn't stand in his way?
And since when are they all going to be in Sidious's throne room other than maybe the Imperial Guards; and Yoda knocked out two Red Guards (like Royal Guards) with a glance. Why would, say, Boba Fett be in the throne room with Sidious, and why would Boba be a significant threat to this team?
Except that it was DE Sidious that had a Force storm that powerful, not ROTJ Sidious. And Luke can, based on his feats, block Sidious's Force lightning. Sidious's Force lightning will also be weaker if he has to spread it out among several powerful Jedi Masters. And Luke and the Council could just TK Sidious the instant the barge in.
When you don't use a skill, you lose it. This is natural, regardless of whether or not you're a Force user. That is why ANH Obi Wan was weaker than ROTS Obi Wan, a thing that is stated in the book Star Wars: Death Star.
1. Grand Master Luke > any incarnation of Sidious in lightsaber combat. Unless if you show me a time where Sidious defeats thousands of troops the level of YV warriors.
2. Luke has used Battle Meld with Kyp and Kyle before, as well as Jaina and Jacen; I'll admit that I don't have evidence with me to say that he can use it with as many people as the entire Council, but if not, they can have separate Battle Melds. Luke without Battle Meld is still > Sidious.
I don't remember any situation in which Sidious had the opportunity to do this, nor am I aware of showing in which Sidious actually knows how to use Battle Meld.
Luke either cloaks the team (he's done this before) or uses illusions to disguise their identity (he's done this before). He uses the Force to bypass electronic security (many Jedi have done this before). They bust into the throne room and pwn Sidious.
Which is an advantage of Luke and the Council. Sidious will face a very coordinated attack from 12+ Jedi Masters, one of which is Sidious's superior.
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lol yeah, I didn't notice that until after I posted my rebuttal.
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The phrasing indicates a choice: Jacen had not killed them and the narrative offers an explanation: the lightning's "murderous form" was a dark side weapon. His decision to use the mild form was a moral one, clearly not because he lacked the ability to wield it like Luke did.
Question, Gideon. Does the Force Lightning have to be more intense than usual to truly be lethal to the Vong because of their stripped Force nature? I recall reading throughout the NJO, that whenever Jedi would use Force powers against them, it would be muddled or dampened.
However, I do recall the brief instance in Star by Star when Jaina had briefly fallen to the dark after Anakin Solo's death, and punched a hole through a Vong with Force Lightning. It seems that though Force TK and such were dampened against the Vong, Force Lightning could still work (maybe because it was the Force materialized into physical energy?)
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Jun 5th, 2010 06:12 AM
FER TEA!!
