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Why does Sasuke have such crappy feats?
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That seems like PIS to me though. Lee was able to get around Gaara's attacks and Deidara was having trouble with them.


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It was on the ground. Deidara was lacking in arms as well so all he could do was dodge.


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He didn't evade them for very long but he did evade them.

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That seems like PIS to me though. Lee was able to get around Gaara's attacks and Deidara was having trouble with them.


Gaara has likely gotten a tiny bit better since then, Deidara had more sand to deal with, and it was the explosions that were unable to outspeed the sand.


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He didn't evade them for very long but he did evade them.



Gaara has likely gotten a tiny bit better since then, Deidara had more sand to deal with, and it was the explosions that were unable to outspeed the sand.


I agree he has gotten better but Lee avoided them pretty much effortlessly after going gates and did well with just the weights off.


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I agree he has gotten better but Lee avoided them pretty much effortlessly after going gates and did well with just the weights off.


Then that means Deidara is really fast for being able to dance around Gaara and Lee.


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well, he was in the air during the gaara fight so it wasn't his speed. More like his clay bird's speed. As for dancing around Lee, I think that pretty ridiculous.


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Lemme point out how fast she is with her water jutsu:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c577/5.html

Mei first cancelled out Madara's big fireball then got a water dragon that chomped on Madara and his ribcage susano'o pretty much the next moment. Large fast offensive jutsu are easy for her (apparently she can one-sign water dragons like the 2nd Hokage can, while even the likes of Kakashi needs to do the whole sequence).


Lemme point out fast Sasuke can be when using his Lightning jutsu:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v40/c367/3.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v45/c415/4.html

Itachi apparently does not need to do Water Dragons with all signs as well. We don't know if Kakashi really needs to do the whole sequence. Zabuza needs to though.
But yeah, shows she is a great Water user.

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Makes Madara's skeletal susano'o all melty here.

And a susano'o being melty apparently hurts. Sasuke was having trouble with that in the acid.

If caught it'll also hinder his movement.


Depends on how much time the Lava is around the user. http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v50/c466/3.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v50/c466/4.html
Sasuke is hit by the lava, and his rib-cage Susano'o is unaffected after he's hit out of it by Hiramekarei.

The reason it hurt Sasuke was because the mist was getting through the small rib-cage version. Not to mention the fact that he was chakra-exhausted to the point where he was fell down and could not maintain the incomplete version of Susano'o that kept him safe.

You forgot to note how easily Madara got rid of the lava around him after he was covered in it for some time.
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v50/c466/3.html

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It can burn away the lava, yea, but I think making him use his eye techniques on her more repeatable kekkei genkai moves would be a good thing.


Manipulating existing flames should be far easier for him than creating Amaterasu.


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The mist does confuse even the sharingan right? I mean, Kakashi couldn't track Zabuza iirc. Plus what you already said about melting susano'o makes this a tough fight for Sasuke. He could pull out a W by spamming Amaterasu or something like that, but this is a pretty close one. The only reason the A/Sasuke fight was so close is because Sasuke is way more versatile. Had A had any mid-to-long range jutsus, that fight would have been totally different. Honestly, besides A and Tsunade, Sasuke would have a very hard time taking a majority over the other Kage.


Sasuke would beat Gaara.

Out of the current Kage, Onoki's really the only one who'd stomp him.

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well, he was in the air during the gaara fight so it wasn't his speed. More like his clay bird's speed. As for dancing around Lee, I think that pretty ridiculous.


Deidara has evaded Part 2 Sasuke, who would make Part 1 Lee (weights off) look like a sloth in comparison.

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He didn't evade them for very long but he did evade them.


Sniped you.

Even greater is the fact that he evaded the godly Tenten's shuriken.


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Manipulating existing flames should be far easier for him than creating Amaterasu.


I know that Sasuke was exhausted, but it did seem just as taxing for him to manipulate Amaterasu as it was to make it when he extinguished it from Karin. It's still a major drain either way.


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well, he was in the air during the gaara fight so it wasn't his speed. More like his clay bird's speed. As for dancing around Lee, I think that pretty ridiculous.


His flight speed then.

Well he did it. O:


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I know that Sasuke was exhausted, but it did seem just as taxing for him to manipulate Amaterasu as it was to make it when he extinguished it from Karin. It's still a major drain either way.


It was the first time he'd tried to extinguish the flames. Itachi did the same thing with little difficulty.

It should take more chakra to create Amaterasu, than it should take to manipulate pre-existing Flames.


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^ I agree completely. Just going off what I read and what was shown.

Besides, Itachi is way more skilled than Sasuke so him doing it easily is no big surprise. I thought Sasuke's advantage was in genjutsu


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Quite the opposite. Itachi is the genjutsu guy, Sasuke has better Amaterasu showings though.


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I thought it was referenced that his genjutsu skills were stronger when he broke free of Tsukiyomi by the Zetsu bystander. Itachi has lower showings because he doesn't have to rely on Ameterasu like Sasuke right now.


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Nope, considering Itachi was trying to let Sasuke win. Sasuke isn't bad at genjutsu but Itachi has the best showings for it.

He uses Tsukuyomi more than Sasuke, which is why he is the genjutsu guy.


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^ Well then the same can be said of him having weaker Amaterasu showings as well since the only time he really showed it off was in the Sasuke fight and you just said he was jobbing out. He really hasn't used it since then unlike Sasuke who uses it like a crutch.


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He's used it on Nagato when he was revived. It was weaker. And he's never displayed the shape manipulation of it iirc.


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He has shown that he can cover a large area with it though. He covered the forested area below the building in the Sasuke fight as well as match the giant fireball sasuke was using with Amaterasu flame.


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^ I agree completely. Just going off what I read and what was shown.

Besides, Itachi is way more skilled than Sasuke so him doing it easily is no big surprise. I thought Sasuke's advantage was in genjutsu


When it comes to Amaterasu, the consensus is that Sasuke is more skilled than Itachi, both in Naruto-verse and here. He can shape it in any way he wants, and he's also produced a Bijuu sized Amaterasu, something that Itachi never could do.

When it comes to genjutsu, Itachi is by far more skilled than Sasuke, even if Sasuke could break out of Tsukuyomi. Itachi is probably the best genjutsu user in Naruto.

Heck, it's even reflected in the primary weapons for their Armored Susano'o. Itachi's has a Genjutsu sword Jar. Sasuke's has an Amaterasu orb.

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I thought it was referenced that his genjutsu skills were stronger when he broke free of Tsukiyomi by the Zetsu bystander. Itachi has lower showings because he doesn't have to rely on Ameterasu like Sasuke right now.


Itachi was holding back.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v51/c478/3.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v51/c480/5.html

Itachi's Tsukuyomi is far superior to Sasuke's MS genjutsu. He's also the only one capable of controlling someone from outside the range of a sensor, with just genjutsu.


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