I do not like the Pew's numbers which is what you used, most likely.
I do not include Anglicanism, Oriental Orthodoxy, or Eastern Orthodoxy in the "Catholic" group. If it could be my way, only the Roman Catholic Church would be counted as Catholic and all other groups, even if in communion with the pope, would not count. You may now cry foul because of the Pew's study excluding or including various parts of what I mentioned.
However, by my counting, non-catholics comprise a majority. If you add in that Catholics baptize infants, the numbers are likely much smaller if asking people...which the Pew study did not legitimately find. They aggregated data: they did not ask people, themselves, for the most part.
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Most of the groups you mentioned (with the exception of the Eastern Orthodox group, and I doubt anyone ever considers them "Catholic" for statistical purposes) would really change things much if you included or excluded them from the counting.
And even if you were to take a hammer to Catholic numbers, they still vastly outnumber ALL Protestant denominations combined. Even if Catholics aren't a majority (you still haven't offered any sources to show this), certainly they still make up a plurality by a comfortable margin against any other single denomination or denominational bloc.
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The 2010 Pew study classified the Orthodox churches as Orthodox and Anglican as Protestant. Although I would like to see an exact breakdown since they mention including small groups "not in communion with the Pope" as Catholics.
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The strictest definition of Catholic I can think of is "Latin rite Catholic" (the Church of Rome). The non-Latin Catholic churches have about 17 million people. This would mean that Dadude wants us to say that 50.0% of Christians are Catholic rather than the 50.1% Pew told us.
I remember a few years back there being a big deal because, out of Christians, the non-Catholics outnumbered the Catholics for the first time. This was probably more than a decade ago. Protestant faiths rejoiced because it was a big milestone.
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The link you gave puts it between 1.05 and 1.25 billion and says "Some sources, which put the number at 800 million, include also Anglicanism (see below) within Protestantism." so excluding Anglicanism again, which would be counted double, it's between 1.05 and 1.174 ... both below the 1.2 billion your source gives for Catholicism.
So, taking your source alone, I agree, "the end", Catholicism is over 50% of Christianity.
If we want to look at "Protestant Faiths" being more than 50%, that is not even close, as Eastern Orthodox is by no means "Protestant".
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See, that's where you are bullshitting, you are taking the high end estimates for Protestantism, even though your source even states that the high end estimates include the Anglican church. That's counting .085 billion twice. You also disregard that the estimate for protestantism starts at .6 billion.
So yes, if you count Anglicanism twice, and take the most generous estimates for protestantism, then non-Catholics might have a slight edge. But taking this discrepancy into account at most we can say it is close and we can't call it (although the numbers are leaning towards Catholicism being larger)
why group Protestant denominations together? The church of England in the UK shares very little in common with Evangelical communities in the southern United States. The "non-Catholic" group is fairly artificial in the first place.
And, no, sorry, I'm still right. You just don't see it. You get like this sometimes. It is better to just ignore it.
Hint: Just because some sources that conclude 800 million for protestants include Anglicanism does not mean that that group is required to reach 800 million. Look down the list that I listed: it is not included and it separate. I am not counting it twice. In fact, I am not "counting" anything as that is not my list.
There are significant differences between the Anglican Communion and the Roman Catholic Church. Also, The Troubles continue today between Catholics and protestants. Lastly, the Anglican Communion is so diverse in the way it does stuff that it makes it near impossible to group it with the Roman Catholic Church.
On another note, I am glad to see the protestants being separated out from the Orthodox, Roman Catholics, and the Restorationists.
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