Or how about fighting so fast that super humans that have feats of seeing people moving at tremendous speeds are unable to lock on to you because you are moving so fast?
I already told you why he is more powerful but I don't mind telling you again. He has on panel showings of fighting so fast that time completely stops. Hell, krillin and roshi performed a 30 minute fighting routine instantly... them two alone have nano second speed feats and goku by the end of dragonball was 10 times more faster than them. Then we have goku moving so fast that it appears that super speed punches is going completely through his body. Hell, everyone out there on the field can detect things moving at high speed along with energy blast that has made it out of orbit instantly but they were unable to even follow goku movements during the time he was dodging those punches and blast at high speeds. Hell, burta alone have a showing of reacting during the time that he was moving so fast that time stopped but he still couldn't detect
Goku movements.
Then we have the planet namek that was going to explode in 5 minutes. Let's not even talk about what all happened in that 5 minute span. They have to had been moving either close to "c" or above it. They made 8 comics out of 5 minutes worth of combat.
Strength... hhmmm, we have piccolo cloud height and goku on the ground. Goku standing on the ground punch at a flying piccolo that is at least cloud height and the friction of the punch hits piccolo in the face, that was teenage goku. We have black hair goku during the cell saga that is far powerful than frieza and frieza alone was creating nuke like explosions and sending shock waves through namek and again that wasnt even a frieza that was at 100% of his power... and again goku in the cell saga was far superior to that frieza. Let's not even bring up goku kicking frieza through two small mountains shaking the entire area they were fighting in. Let's also not even include the fact that superman can fight in a populated area whereas when goku fight people, the entire area that they are fighting in is completely destroyed and I'm refering to them fighting physically. Hell, look at the piccolo and frieza fight, they were laying waste to the entire area and again it was a physical fight. Look at the goku vs vegeta fight, the wave of their hands was destroying small mountains. Look at the kid buu and goku fight, they physically laid waste to the ki planet. Now go look at a superman and captain marvel fight or superman and darkseid fight. Hell, superman fought despero in a small room and the room was stiil in tact after the fight... no physical fight with dbz characters are capable of being in a small environment like that. Hell, babadi went crazy when vegeta was fighting one of his henchmen in his ship. Lets also not forget that darkseid and superman had an entire fight in a barn and the only damage that was done was when superman flew through the room. A wave of goku hand during a punch would have turned that barn to dust.
Durability... superman has never taken even 1% of what goku has taken in one fight... he would die.
Power output... this isn't even a debate... goku is far more poweful than supes.
That should answer your questions. Again... is superman fast, sure but he isn't close to what black hair goku is. You all put up all these combat speed feats but you can't show me one where someone actually comment on not being able to see him during combat or superman fighting so fast that the can't keep up with him. In dc, I would put superman combat speed almost at the top, in dbz, what superman has done combat wise is childs play, even to people like krillin.
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Last edited by carver9 on Oct 7th, 2010 at 04:41 AM
Its proof to me since I haven't witnessed superman do anything to what I mentioned. The only thing that you all are doing is saying that superman can beat goku just because he can and because he have lifting feats.
You don't have anything to show he can take what goku can take in a fight, you don't have any output of power on goku level... then all of slow opponents that superman has been defeated or tagged by, you all are brushing 50+ years off as pis.
I gave my stance on why I think goku is far superior and I'm pretty sure that the person who wrote that superman vs goku in the wizard magazine saw the same thing that I saw... goku being far superior (since he did take superman out with ome punch).
Nah you are just horribly exaggeration his abilities haven't you noticed nobody is debating with you anymore? Its not because they think your right. So fast it looks like time is stopped? Clark from Smallville has been doing that since 2001 NOT impressive. I'm saying he can beat Goku because his feats are legit his speed has been clocked you are basing Goku's speed off of visual effects you can't even tell how fast you think he's going . Superman wins because he has legit feats
How about this iceman. Krillin as a child and masteroshi have nano seconds combat feats and goku by the end of regular dragonball speed was far greater than that. That should give you a description of gokus speed.
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Last edited by carver9 on Oct 9th, 2010 at 08:58 PM
I know what Goku is capable of i disagree with your assessment. He doesn't have to he has actually speed feats not some over hyped visual bs and by the way Smallville Clark isn't even 1/4 as fast or strong as comic Superman
Why do you disagree with my assessment? krillin and roshi performed a 5 minte fight scene in less than a second. That's nano second reaction, maneaverbility, and agility speed. A more powerful krillin and roshi was unable to even keep pace with goku during the time he fought junior... roshi admitted that they were moving too fast. I'm not even referring to a goku during dbz who is millions of times more powerful than dragonball goku.
Show me comic supes moving as fast as smallville supes because smallville supes showings are insane (even though goku is faster by a large gap).
Show me comic superman moving so fast that time stops. Smallville clark was in another city... someone shot a lazer beam at louis CLOSE RANGE... he heard it, ran all the way there, pushed louis out of the way, broke the gun in some pieces, hit the guy that shot louis, looked around to make sure everything was ok and ran off. He did all of this before the lazer even got the chance to fully leave the trigger and let's not forget that he was in another city and the guy was point blank range at louis witht the gun and FIRED the lazer beam before clark even heard anything happening.
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Last edited by carver9 on Oct 10th, 2010 at 04:39 PM
Why is it unimpressive... flash and zoom was fighting so fast that time itself stopped and superman was right there and he was a statue as well. This happened twice and superman was a statue both times.
So Flash and Zoom would make just about anybody look like statues that includes the whole Dbzverse. It's unimpressive because thats all your working with Flash has been clocked running well over mach 5 on average thats impressive to me visuals aren't.
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Oct 5th, 2010 09:58 PM
How fast do you think that is? Most high herald level beings can do that easily
. Superman wins because he has legit feats
