He saying that there is no such thing as a fluke heel hook. It's not exactly a technique that happens by accident or luck. If you landed it, you earned it.
Well...anything can become a fluke. If a guy throws a roundhouse, the opponent catches the kick, and it just so happens that the top of his foot is in the other guy's armpit, then he's essentially given him a free heel-hook. In that fight though, it was pure genius. Chonan had an ace up his sleeve that he saved for the right moment.
Also, the narrator in that video was talking as if Chonan beating Anderson Silva was equivalent to beating Michael Jordan at one-on-one. At the time, Silva wasn't the superstar he is now. He was just another up-and-comer. Me and all the other Pride fans were like "Who does that skinny black guy think he is?".
I have to disagree with that. The kicker still has plenty of opportunity to escape and the "heel hooker" still must actually get his opponent to the ground to try and stop counter movement. That is more capitalizing on a mistake than a fluke.
A fluke is more like....a guy throwing wild, aimless punches and landing a knockout blow when his superior opponent slips forward on a puddle of sweat.
We knew he was good, but yeah. Noone thought he'd be what he is today. I still remember when people thought Chris "Throw wild haymakers and hope they connect" Leben would destroy Silva.
Well, the grappling of today is lot more advanced than that of the past.
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Somebody who had dominated Hayato Sakurai (the best WW in the world at the time), knocked out Carlos Newton (just a few fights removed from losing the belt against Matt Hughes), whooped Jeremy Horn, and beat Lee Murray for the Cage Rage Middleweight Belt.
Now obviously at the time, Anderson didn't have the reputation that he does now. But was Chonan a huge underdog in that fight? You better believe it.
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Not "fluke" or "capitalizing", but rather windfall would probably be the better term. Like when you're walking down the street and find a 20-dollar-bill on the ground. The "heel hooker" would only need to fall backwards (the kicker would naturally go with him), then figure-four the kicker's trapped leg, and there ya go: heel-hook.
Having your kick caught is never ideal. I've been watching MMA for nearly two decades (even before the term itself "mixed martial arts" was coined), and I can tell you that getting a kick caught is rarely ever a good prognosis. Very seldom does it end in the kicker's favor. Few things will disrupt an offensive flurry faster, and flip the balance of control. Talk about a "combo breaker"...
I'm not impressed with Silva. He got SOOOO lucky to be in a division of absolute shit, one dimensional fighters. And since it's so hard for lhw to note down to mw and too risky for wws to note up to that class, he's in a sweet spot of terrible. If there was a 190-195 division, he'd be dead. You realize he was going to retire before the ufc called? Name three well rounded mw fighters. Chael and who?
True, he isn't in a great weight division, but if you look at it, WW is also full of 1 dimensional fighters. And at least Anderson puts on a great show and gives us memorable fights everytime he fights (something the WW champion lacks sometimes coff* coff*).
Even his fight against Chael is memorable. Sometimes I even think he did on purpose in order to finish the fight with a BJJ move lol (I know, I know, he was dominated in that fight, whatever).
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I can name a bunch of people in ww who could beat silva. Shields would kill him. And a lot more who could give him HUGE problems. As for finishing fights, don't be that stereotypical, blood lusted, un educated newbie who only wants ko's. I'm not saying you are, but most mma fans are. This is mixed MARTIAL ARTS, not a bar fight. I'd much rather see a technical chess match of a fight that goes the distance i.e GSP than a one sided 5 second ko i.e Silva. That's how you can tell the true fans from the idiots who don't know the diff between mma and the WWE.
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Actually, a true fighter should be able to quickly put his opponent away (See: Cain Velasquez and Anderson Silva).
A fight that goes the distance isn't always a 'technical chess match'; it just means neither guy could best the other, and they're boring. Usually, anyways. As for GSP, I honestly believe that he could have easily dropped both Koscheck and Shields in the first round, but intentionally drew it out. He was just toying with them. Both fights occured in Canada, and he wanted to put on a good show for his countrymen. GSP wasn't being "cautious", he was being contemptuous; "you're beneath me, so I won't even give you 100%".
You don't get it. In every combat sport where the guy comes out and smokes the opponet, it's considered a failure. Why? Because it means they weren't in the same skill class. I didn't say all decision fights were chess matches, but I can absolutely guarantee most fights that end .....
As for GSP toying with them and seeing them as beneath him......you're absolutely right. You can tell his ego is off the charts. I don't like that about him at all.
Windfall is better, but I still wouldn't call it less than capitalizing. It's really not that simple to do to someone who is trained, even if you catch their leg. I even seen counters that allow the kicker to get a heel hook on the catcher as well, but I haven't met anyone with those kinds of reflexes honestly. I guess it's just a matter of perception. It's too much effort exerted for me to chalk it up to luck, even if you were in a beneficial situation.
That's true of course; however, a heel hook seems higher up on the difficulty ladder than more standard responses to a caught kick(like sweeping their other leg or punching them.)
Lmao @ Chael being well rounded. Dude is a good wrestler and a great shit talker. That's....that's about it.
It's an interesting matchup, but let's not get beside ourselves.
Yeah. I do miss the exclusive appeal MMA had. I'm happy the fighters can make more money, but the ignorant masses desecrating sacred ground gets annoying sometimes. I swear if I hear another "armbar him already!" when two fighters are standing and miles apart from each other, I might ki blast the person next to me.
I don't know guys. GSP isn't arrogant, he's just gotten cautious ever since the Serra fight.
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