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I can name a bunch of people in ww who could beat silva. Shields would kill him.


I am actually liking this thread but this is just a big no. Shields has not the skill to take Anderson down, and if he fights Anderson standing as he did with GSP, he would need plastic surgery by the end of the fight.


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I am actually liking this thread but this is just a big no. Shields has not the skill to take Anderson down, and if he fights Anderson standing as he did with GSP, he would need plastic surgery by the end of the fight.

If Shields is dumb enough to strike with Silva, he'll need a hearse.


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Shields has not the skill to take Anderson down


Wow, really? I mean... really?

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I don't know guys. GSP isn't arrogant, he's just gotten cautious ever since the Serra fight.


I don't buy that. His loss to Serra at UFC 69 was what...like 4 or 5 years ago. And that was a fluke; he was already a bad-ass dude, and then he got upset by some chump from TUF. When they had their re-match, GSP got his head straight and whooped him.

He fought his last few title defenses with a jaded, nonchalant attitude. "Yeah, I'm gonna win, so lets just get this over with". In GSP's defense though, he's totally out of the league of everyone that they match him with. Dana needs to look for some more recruits.


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I don't buy that. His loss to Serra at UFC 69 was what...like 4 or 5 years ago. And that was a fluke; he was already a bad-ass dude, and then he got upset by some chump from TUF. When they had their re-match, GSP got his head straight and whooped him.

He fought his last few title defenses with a jaded, nonchalant attitude. "Yeah, I'm gonna win, so lets just get this over with". In GSP's defense though, he's totally out of the league of everyone that they match him with. Dana needs to look for some more recruits.
i was about to say the same thing. He does believe he's superior to everyone he fights, but it just so happens he kinda is. Silva is worse, though. Way worse.


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I am actually liking this thread but this is just a big no. Shields has not the skill to take Anderson down, and if he fights Anderson standing as he did with GSP, he would need plastic surgery by the end of the fight.
Come on. You can't believe that. Shields would do to him what Chael did, but instead of getting submitted, he'd likely be the one doing the submitting. And he wouldn't stand with him. I have a conspiracy theory: Dana's answer to Fedor is Silva. So, imo he's been protecting him. That's why he made shields drop to ww instead of mw. He knew jake would destroy Silva. So he forced Jake into a division in which he knew jake couldn't be chams in. The ONLY person Dana will allow to beat Silva is GSP. Also, fight mag said Silva's leaked contract gives him the ability to pick his opponents. He's got a type of veto. That's not right. No wonder he fights shit people.


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As for whoever said Chael wasn't well rounded. That's bull shiite. His only weakness is bjj, and he's gotten way better. Still, his striking is very solid. Wasn't he an undefeaude amateur boxer? He's never been out struck his entire mma career. He's very well rounded. He you compare him to the other mw fighters, he's five leagues above them in that area. Maybe Nate The Not So Great Marquart is ok........not really.


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Wow, really? I mean... really?

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Are you serious? Dude, Shields has great BJJ but he is not the top WW wrestler for sure.


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He doesn't need to be. His wrestling is a 6 but silva's td defense is a 2. JS takes him down at will.


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Shields isn't the wrestler chael is and while I don't doubt he could take silva down, I doubt it would be with the same frequency as with chael, and his standup skills are so poor that silva knocking him out quickly on the feet is pretty likely.

Now the claim that silva hasn't fought any well rounded fighters except chael is complete hogwash. Firstly chael is not really a very well rounded fighter. Well rounded fighters are embodied in guys like Forrest,
nate and Franklin all of whom are only notable for their.well roundedness as opposed to any exceptional skill in one particular area.


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Are you serious? Dude, Shields has great BJJ but he is not the top WW wrestler for sure.


He doesn't need to be the best wrestler in the WW division in order to take Anderson down. What kind of logic is that? Come on now.

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Shields isn't the wrestler chael is and while I don't doubt he could take silva down, I doubt it would be with the same frequency as with chael, and his standup skills are so poor that silva knocking him out quickly on the feet is pretty likely.


Perhaps, though I've always thought that two guys in particular: Jake Shields and Ricardo Arona, at least stylistically, would be a nightmare for Silva. There are more I could mention, but those two jump to mind right away.

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Now the claim that silva hasn't fought any well rounded fighters except chael is complete hogwash. Firstly chael is not really a very well rounded fighter. Well rounded fighters are embodied in guys like Forrest,
nate and Franklin all of whom are only notable for their.well roundedness as opposed to any exceptional skill in one particular area.


Don't forget Hendo and Vitor.


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Its true that stylistically shields and arona are pretty bad match ups for silva. for shields in particular though i think that as long as silva can keep himself from getting subbed on the ground, early on then he has a very very good shot at it once the fight is on the feet. Personally though I think the absolute worst matchup stylisticall for silva would be palhares. His killer instinct on the ground is remarkable and he has very good takedowns as well as a good chin.


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Yeah, Paul Harris would be another guy.


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He's got a type of veto. That's not right. No wonder he fights shit people.


Belfort is a shit fighter? I don't think so. When he lost to Silva back in feb. he was having "one of those days" (but don't we all?). But he's definitely a proven fighter, that's for damn sure.


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I expected vitor to go down, but not like that. That was ridiculous.


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there were articles/news that MMA fighters without using a weapon apprehending a criminal with a weapon.

That alone proves that MMA never fails.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/ca...e?urn=mma-wp309

http://mmajunkie.com/news/15388/ufc...l-a-robbery.mma

Do not dispise MMA. Going to the ground is only good for 1v1 or getting out of the people trying to hold you down. Striking is good for melee.

http://www.asylum.co.uk/2011/11/06/...l-arts-experts/


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I'm not sure why you guys are acting like MMA is this new martial art and comparing it to traditional martial arts like boxing. MMA is just blending several different traditional martial arts together. Anderson Silva for example is a practitioner of boxing, muay thai, capoeira, tae kwon do, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and wrestling to some extent. Those are all traditional martial arts, but he practices all of them and can put them together.

Mixed Martial Artists are the most complete fighters on the planet. They normally don't excel in any one martial art, but they can put it all together in a way that boxers or other specialists can't.

Take Georges St. Pierre for example, he is one of the most well-rounded fighters in the game. When he fights a striker who is more skilled than him in that one aspect (Thiago Alves for example has much superior muay thai), he is able to outstrike him because he can keep Thiago guessing. Georges mixed his strikes up with his takedowns in their fight, Thiago never knew what to expect. When he was ready to strike, Georges blasted him off his feet with a double leg.

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When he was prepared for a takedown, this happened:

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An MMA fighters ability to mix it up is what makes them the most complete fighters in the world. Keep in mind that Thiago Alves is much more complete than other specialists (boxers for example), he knows how to defend takedowns (has some of the best TDD in the division), knows how to check leg kicks (muay thai background), has good defense on the ground, and much better submissions than one dimensional martial artists (I'm not saying every Martial Art is one dimensional, but if you are purely a boxer or wrestler then you won't do well in MMA).

Thiago is one of the best strikers in the WW division, but he was outstruck by GSP because of GSP's ability to mix takedowns with strikes.

Here's a gif of Alves's striking:
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Top level boxers for example are FAR superior to MMAists when it comes to boxing. But that's one aspect of many. If you can't stop a takedown, defend from GnP, defend submissions, work your way back to your feet, or check a leg kick, you probably won't beat a well-rounded MMA fighter.

Guys like Jose Aldo have spent years conditioning his bones to be able to deliver kicks, knees, punches, and elbows with the force that he does. If Floyd Mayweather took a leg kick from Aldo, the fight would be over.

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Keep in mind that Urijah Faber's legs are much more conditioned to take kicks than Floyd Mayweather's. If (for some reason) Aldo's leg kicks were ineffective against Mayweather (highly unlikely), Aldo could take him down quite easily.

The only way Floyd would be able to beat Aldo is if he used his footwork to move out of the way of Jose's kicks and attacked Aldo at angles, quickly moving into range while landing a combo and then moving out. Even then, it would be dangerous to get that close to Aldo because Aldo could wrap him up in the Muay Thai Plum or simply take him down and submit him.

Also, MMA has been around a hell of a lot longer than 20 years. The first documented "form" of MMA was created by Edward William Barton-Wright in 1899, it was called "Bartitsu".

And for those saying that there are no stances in MMA that define a particular martial art:

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