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Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, I was mostly thinking that you could potentially just have fights to the death. That would give you a good idea, probably happens in some parts of the world, too. But that's why I said, it's a pretty good gauge within western legal limits (I usually count Japan as "Western")

I agree that most normal people are rather ineffective, however if you talk about 7 people who fight often or are trained very well (even if in a somewhat ineffective style) it seems very unlikely that one fighter could beat them all, at least to me.

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Originally posted by StyleTime
Ok. Looks like we're roughly on the same page in all honesty. I just highlighted that fighters hold back in a ruleset, but don't necessarily neglect their art during training.

I can agree with that somewhat. Most pro fighters may not train like....720 hook kicks, but it's less watering a style down than dojos who only point spar.

I do still disagree here. The sport fighter has every advantage. He's more conditioned, more skilled, better fundamentals, better reflexes, and trains more effective techniques. For example, pro fighters have better head movement than your average dojo dude. These fighters effectively move their entire heads out of the way of incoming strikes; to hit a target as small as their eyes in combat is unlikely. Even training such techniques would be difficult; eye gouging in training would leave students out of commission often and would probably cause many to quit honestly.

I referred to general combat effectiveness of the Navy SEALS. I didn't know if he meant specifically hand to hand.

In any case, we quickly approach the point of agreement here; I offer this as the intersection of our views. Two equally skilled fighters face off without rules, but one has a proven record of beating high level opponents with these "deadly" techniques. I would probably give him the advantage. That may be what you meant, but it came off as something else.

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Originally posted by SpadeKing
A real man would stay and volunteer to take the eye gouges

But really, I'm not too sure on the conditioning part, but sport fighters would more than likely win the physical strength conditioning, unless we're talking martial artists built like Bruce Lee. I'll give them skills in sense of having done more fights, fundamentals well that is basically what they train more on as opposed to training moves like butterfly kicks. Reflexes sports guys again I would guess, though some martial artists have amazing reflexes that could translate well into real fights, like the Wushu competitions though it is choreographed they have some impressively quick people.

In general Navy SEALs are definitely effective, H2H I still haven't heard any story of anyone in military using their H2H training other than basic training when recruits manage to PO a drill instructor enough.

Basically what I meant.

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Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Mosty military H2H involves a knife or grabbing some kind of makeshift weapon. Putting up your dukes in modern warfare just doesn't seem very practical...or smart

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Originally posted by Quiero Mota
This is a statue of an ancient Greek boxer, circa 600 BC.

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^Notice how the leather hand-wrappings resemble modern MMA gloves.

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Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
That's the only thing that matters, bro.

And, yes. Gina Carrano's ****in hot.

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Originally posted by StyleTime
No, the bouncers are probably better fighters.

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Originally posted by batdude123
Much bigger and stronger too (f*ck the mystical "chi" bullshit).

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Originally posted by Mindset
If half a dozen guys can't beat one person, even if they're a pro fighter, that's pitiful.

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Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Chi is nothing to screw with, actually. Its some scary stuff. Are you familiar with the discipline known as Iron Shirt? There's an episode of Fight Science about it, you should check it out. This one monk totally baffled the scientist and all their modern equipment with what he did.