Since when does Strange absorb power from artifacts? And what minions are you referring too? Most of Chthon and Set's minions pale in comparison to Shuma Gorath's. I'd love to know which minion Strange encountered had enough power to make a difference in his fight against these Elder Gods?
So nothing then. Set and Chthon are minion gods compared to Shuma Gorath. SG conquerors countless dimensions while Set and Chthon can't even escape from the hole they dug themselves in. The Strange that beat SG and left with SG's power could've destroyed galaxies by being in the 616.
A younger Strange with AO power barely holding his own against Zom. Zom NEVER beat that Strange at all. One showing and all of a sudden he's more powerful than SG.
So in other words you're going to ignore his upgrades.
Zom had one good showing and never defeated a less experienced Strange.
Inferior versions of Strange didn't want to fight Elder Gods.
This isn't proof of anything. Strange's battle with SG was felt across dimensions causing eerie occurances.
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Looking back at Gorath, Sise-Neg (nearing the end of his journey) admitted that a fight would Gorath would leave Gorath to drain away much of the magic he'd acquire. Strange after becoming SG needed to burn away much of that power in order to return to the 616, afraid that his presence would wreck galaxies according to his mentor Kaluu. Gorath existed in a dimension that no man had ever ventured too until Strange did, a dimension that would kill lesser beings like Kaluu. He manipulated a Fear Lord to do his bidding against his will. Strange and Kaluu ran from Ghaszaszh Nyirh, an Old One under SG. Various demons served SG, even Sligguth, a spawn of Set.
Here's a list of servants of Shuma Gorath. None of the other's have minions comparable in power.
Arioch
Ghaszaszh Nyirh
Water Element
Nightmare
Kathulos
Kalun Gath
Vammatar
N'Gabthoth
Dagoth
Sligguth
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Already know that. So what's your point? Nightmare, Kathulos, Arioch, Ghaszaszh Nyirh, Water Element, Dagoth, Vammatar, and N'Gabthoth would stomp Kalun Gath, and Sligguth.
The Spear of Destiny, is the actual spear used by the Roman Centurion to pierce Christ's side during the Crucifixion. According to legend, whomsoever held it controlled the fate of the world.
Again, nothing impressive at all WWK. I'm sorry, I'm not trolling you it's just how it is.
I knew someone was going to bring up that Belasco scan. But in all fairness, Belasco is a mediocre mystic at best. Illyana beat him and she's no Strange. Hell Loki beat her with ONE finger. So if you have a guy that was beaten by someone who later got their face kicked in by Loki using ONE finger, what does that tell you? Belasco was engaging in hyperbole, because there's no way someone who can't even defeat Illyana is shoring up reality because of some cosmic throwdown.
What have they done ON PANEL not hyperbole or smack talk that justifies this statement? The only thing I saw Arioch do was get shxt stomped by Strange. I'm unfamiliar with Kathulos.
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Arioch wasn't merely hyperbole simply based on the fact that his power gave Strange a large enough boost to stand up to Shuma.
Kathulos the Living Planet negated all of Doctor Strange's magic power so he was just an ordinary human while facing him. It was while in the process of absorbing Doctor Strange that Strange discovered the negation effect didn't work while in the absorption process and he was able to use power from the Cyttorak Crystals to fatally wound Kathulos while he was vulnerable.
You mean aside from being able to stand up to Shuma?
Which wouldn't have worked at all had he not discovered that it was his one weakness. Like any of Set's servants would have discovered that. Kathulos would just negate any of their magic so they have nothing to attack him with.
Yeah aside from that because some of us dont' find Shuma Gorath that impressive to begin with. So aside from that, there is nothing on Arioch except being owned by Strange?
Or they could you know, just have destroyed him. The Midgard Serpent alone is large enough to encircle and crush the planet Earth. All this assumes that he could even absorb their magic. Human sorcerers != Gods or the spawn of Gods. See the Blood and Thunder Thor arc for further proof.
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No. One of Kathulos' specific powers is to negate the abilities of others. That hasn't been contradicted so you can't say it wouldn't work on Set's servants. It's funny that you find every way to put down Shuma his servants' power yet you're trying to make out like the Midgard Serpant is something special :/
The fact is Arioch gave Strange a chance against Shuma-Gorath and Shuma-Gorath was the same entity who Sise-Neg wasn't sure he could destroy, the same who rules hundreds of dimensions, the same who was said cannot die, the same who the Vishanti were unable to defeat, the same who was alluded to being more powerful than the Cancerverse's Galactus Engine, the same who's energy was enough to bust galaxies by being present, the same that made the Ancient One tremble in fear, and the same who Doctor Strange basically admitted that Shuma-Gorath was its most powerful enemy yet and this is at a time when Dormammu was written to be insanely powerful compared to now and also after Strange's encounter with Zom. So the fact that Arioch was able to help Strange fight something with that power says alot about the power he wielded.
That's hyperbole or if we want to be generous, implied power. Nothing on panel. Alluded, is said, or words to that effect tell me we got nothing concrete on our boy Gorath.
The fact that Arioch was defeated in about 4-6 panels tells me he was nothing more than fodder/trash. Let's see Strange pull that garbage on Set, Chthon or an unshackled Zom. Hell let's see him pull these hijinx with Loki, Hela or Pluto, then I'll concede.
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As I said the whole Shuma vs Strange arc was PIS loaded on stranges part. Strange had to channel Shuma against Shuma. Name one being that he has ever needed to do something like that to. Better yet name someone who can defeat themselves. As Prodigy showed others it's really not feasible to defeat your own power.
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