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The illuminati conspiracy theories are retarded.


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Rather stick your head in the sand like most other peoplesmile
Nice of you to jump to conclusions about me already. happy

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I don't know about all this Illuminati stuff, weren't they just a group of scientists trying to escape Catholic prosecution? Maybe that's why they're labelled as being so evil because the Catholic Church wanted them dead?

Just throwing out speculation.


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I don't know about all this Illuminati stuff, weren't they just a group of scientists trying to escape Catholic prosecution? Maybe that's why they're labelled as being so evil because the Catholic Church wanted them dead?



That's from Angels & Demons.


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Well it's got a bit of sense doesn't it? Catholic Church ruled the Western World wouldn't surprise if some of their prejudicies carried over into modern society.


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The symbols are like putting their mark on the world, it's kind of a joke, saying that we are powerless to do anything.
It isn't even really the Illuminati symbol. This thing dates back to the old mystic religions.
This is a control thing, it's the idea that they are the shepherds and we are the sheep.
The Illuminati isn't even evil, they think they are helping everyone.
It's hard to explain to one. Someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
And two. Someone who will do everything they can to stop from waking up.

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It's ironic that the Illuminati is now considered to be a Big Bad by conspiracy theorists, when they were once simply free thinkers seeking to pursue scientific research without church interference, and stood against prejudice, superstition, etc.

In other words, they were the antithesis of a dictatorial "New World Order". Yet the Church and various monarchical governments, taking on the role of the fantasy version of the Illuminati, cast them as dangerous outlaws plotting to sow chaos.

The ironic part is that every time you talk about the Illuminati tryiing to take over, you're demonstrating that the old dictators' propaganda worked on you!

Oh, the irony!

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Re: Logic holes in the illuminati conspiracy theory

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(not trying to troll or anything, simply something to talk about and discuss in this case)


No thank God for skepticism. The first thing I'd like to make clear is that anything I say is nothing more than pure conjecture for argument's sake.

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1. Why would they leave clues for us to discover? If they want to stay secretive why would they leave a bunch of symbols and such on the dollar bill and other stuff? Wouldn't that give them away? Similar thing with the supposed illuminati celebrities.


Perhaps to make the idea of their existence seem absurd. Or perhaps they haven't left clues and people are making something out of nothing. Or perhaps they're confident that nothing will come of it, theoretically they'd have every right to be.

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2. How do they keep it a secret? How could they manage to keep thousands of people that were involved with helping the survivors of 911 quite? Keeping a secret between 2 people is hard enough. Keeping a secret between thousands of people is virtually impossible.


Maybe these thousands of people, CIA Agents, Terrorists, etc. were coerced into doing things that by themselves seemed like something they'd normally do, but when put together they result in a tragedy.

    a)For instance, security could be made laxxed through sufficient higher command, things could be made to be overlooked, the plane could be filled with some aerosol depressant, etc.

    b) The terrorists could have been acting on what they thought was a command or maybe a couple MK Ultra Agents infiltrated an Al Qaeda sect posing as terrorists and instilled through suggestion these sorts of ideas all the way back in Iraq.

    c) Together you get a chain of events, but that's baby stuff. No, I think it's possible that technology has given a few rogue individuals in Central Intelligences the means to do far more than that:

    I truly believe that there is technology out there that was birthed in the 1960s that has never seen the light of day. Follow the missing or mind-wiped scientists given false memories. Perhaps with the advent of stem cell therapy these individuals could have unlocked superior brain functions and in turn could have invented technologies similar to this. That tech. would be exclusive to them and the enhancements made in the guise of "research" would erased from the files.


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3. Why would they want to do this?


Oil.

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If this conspiracy theory is as old as some people claim, why would a president 60 or more years ago want to help out?


I think it originated in the 60s, and I don't think presidents have anything to do with it to their knowledge. But it is the House of Representatives that own America, and these politicians could be micro-managed (without knowing it) to devastating effect.

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The illuminati is generally portrayed as an evil, self centered society, so it probably isn't for the greater good in this case. Yet they probably wouldn't get to live to see the conspiracy unfold.


Stem cell research on the brink of immortality.

Nanobots and immortality.

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What incentive do they have? Money?


Dystopian levels of control. Have you ever read Time Machine? In it there are the Mongrels (us) and the perfect, beautiful people, the surface dwellers, who rule. Nuclear Armageddon would be far more merciful.

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Where do they get that money from?


    a)After the 1960s, America's golden years, R&D programs were shut down, trillions of dollars were being printed unnecessarily, and the Gold Standard was removed and replaced by a shit load of currency backings.

    b)That printed money suddenly becomes infinitely more difficult to track.

    c)Due to an ever-increasing ability to monitor the world, an overflow of information in the databases, our Bureau of Central Intelligence is now a cluster **** of information, no one can keep track of anything in the growing aggregate subdivisions, such as the CIA, especially not their own.


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Who would want to pay them when they themselves would also not benefit from it?


They could be getting money without anyone knowing, think super-hackers, who are ambiguous, unsuspecting agents within central intelligence networks, having exclusive access to nano-processors or memristors capable of monitoring and rerouting all such bank information.


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I've come to such an outlandish, wild and perhaps schizophrenic hypothesis. I may be a theorist with wild speculations; however, I'm not given to act on theory and speculation. That is why I'd pose a real, genuine threat to them (if they existed), because my goal is to objectively demonstrate and actually act on the facts that have been brought to light. Too many people say, "oh there's thirteen families" but they're never going acquire the facts necessary to do something about it.

If there was a clandestine organization acting outside of government, conducting isolated scientific experiments not shared with the world, with access to technology ahead of its time: than they've been able to abduct and implant these into certain people at certain times before erasing any memory of the ordeal. It is unknown how many people they could have gotten to in the last 50 years without being noticed. If this organization can operate through the special intelligence organizations of governments across the globe, than it could be millions.

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It's ironic that the Illuminati is now considered to be a Big Bad by conspiracy theorists, when they were once simply free thinkers seeking to pursue scientific research without church interference, and stood against prejudice, superstition, etc.

In other words, they were the antithesis of a dictatorial "New World Order". Yet the Church and various monarchical governments, taking on the role of the fantasy version of the Illuminati, cast them as dangerous outlaws plotting to sow chaos.

The ironic part is that every time you talk about the Illuminati tryiing to take over, you're demonstrating that the old dictators' propaganda worked on you!

Oh, the irony!


The Illuminati are not the bad guys. The bad guys are the ones who indoctrinate using tools like religion, and sabotage the scientific advancement of society as a whole, so that this society can be more easily controlled.

There was, in fact, a legitimate conspiracy that was directed by the United States' Bureau of Intelligence, that was postulated to practice scientific experimentation devoted entirely to the study of mind control. Which is a scary thought when MK Ultra is considered.

Earlier I stated that I believed the subdivided "control-society" in question originated in the 60s, I actually believe America itself was a product of this very clandestine order which I believe can be traced back to have been motivated by one man's actions and his cover up, but that we aren't able to acquire a scientific understanding and technological sophistication decades years ahead of everyone else until the 60s - due in part to advances in the field of biology (stem cell research) and internet technology (cybernated control of the banks).


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Pretty much any conspiracy theory suffers from confirmation bias- If there was real, genuine proof, it wouldn't be merely talked about or have hundreds of different variants. People come up with a conspiracy framework or pattern as they see it, and then take information that fits the pattern as proof, but fitting a pattern isn't the same as proof- see 'the Bible Code' and such, which works just as well on any random book. One can create patterns out of any date if the methods are designed to make data.


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Pretty much any conspiracy theory suffers from confirmation bias- If there was real, genuine proof, it wouldn't be merely talked about or have hundreds of different variants.


Interesting, though, that the scientific community hasn't yet postulated the possibility that one intelligence agency or another from the hundreds of nations on earth doesn't use discoveries made by the scientific community to progress their scientific sophistication without sharing their discoveries.

I mean, governmental agencies have the #powa to hide scientific blueprints (cough atom bomb cough) from the globe and they also have the ability to conduct unethical and by-whatever-means-necessary experimentation, etc etc etc. Black Agencies are not subject things the APA, and they may rule the world at very moment because of that!

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People come up with a conspiracy framework or pattern as they see it, and then take information that fits the pattern as proof, but fitting a pattern isn't the same as proof- see 'the Bible Code' and such, which works just as well on any random book. One can create patterns out of any date if the methods are designed to make data.


Creating and considering the hypothetical relationships in these "patterns" is a step in forming a hypothesis.

Something like the Illumanati is a reason to wake up in the morning feeling helpless, anxious, and falling to despair.

You understand, you don't understand,, you don't understand,, you don't understand,, you don't understand,, you don't understand,, you don't understand,, you don't understand,, you don't understand, don't how I how feel. Humanity has to be afraid. We're talking about Gods.


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What I mean is that, in order to prove the possibility of a relationship between variables [Id Est: Subterranean Transcontinental Secret Super Society--->Global economy], it must be demonstrable in experimentation.

When we do that, if one person can do that, then he has a tested hypothesis, and he can go gather conclusive objective evidence about it and literally prove it as fact objectively...but in some instances it won't matter because a more scientifically advanced secret society with control of the world's resources is above the scientific community's implications. Human beings have a hierarchy of needs, the one that holds the resources holds the powa over their consciousnesses, minds, identity, personality, and thoughts. Even if you objectively know the fact that your life is at the mercy of the insane Gods every microsecond of your existence, they control your hierarchy of needs so your subjectivity will distort your objectivity, your very reality will be blurred and inaccurate, like mine. laughing


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The idea of controlled demolitions bringing down the buildings doesn't make much sense.

Why have an airplane crash into the World Trade Center then? That adds in another variable that could bust the conspiracy. Why not say that terrorists planted demolitions and brought the towers down?

However, they would have to hire people to do that. How would they keep them quiet? How come not one has spoken out?

Why do the terrorists claim credit for the incident if it wasn't them that did it?

How could missiles have hit the Pentagon instead of a plane if pieces of the plane were found and wouldn't the people in the Pentagon notice that it was a missile if it was?

How could they hire hijackers willing to die? How could they convince the airliners to take in random guys and put them on specific flights?

Also, my third point in the OP is a pretty big one. The conspirators probably wouldn't even live to reap the benefits, and according to most conspiracy theorists they aren't doing it for the greater good either.

if you just demolish it then the American people would say why did they demolish the tallest building in the world at one of it's busiest hours with all those people in it. with the plane in there are a lot less questions. I don't know if I believe this conspiracy fully but I have don a lot of looking into it and there are something to it.

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Warning Retards

None of these things you's have said prove a point... Why can't they to maintain control you need to be secretive but also have people know you exist, controlling the media, advertisement and everything else they can make you think and act the way they please, when you buy useless things from a tv commercial they have successfully made you act a certain way. problem, reaction, solution. They make a problem blame it on some else then get the media to report the way they want so the public perspective is changed, which makes people demand them to do something they about it so they can invader country's or take away civil right, which make the control strong and by doing this everyday they can completely twist the way think and act and make you believe what they want.

Ps retards I have no belief in god and in about 2000 years ago the Romans fully established the Catholic Church for political control over the common people it's all happened with most prophet based religious, the myth of religion is the most powerful weapon ever created, most religious people don't believe in the modern day illuminati we know

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Point... They can maintain *******

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The whole thing is a giant ****ing shitfest of 50's - 70's paranoid following the weed surge all over the planet. Thats where it stems from ultimately.

The original Illuminati were scientist being murdered by the Catholic Church trying to oppress their views.

Pop stars and celebs, IF the ****ing "new world order" actually exists will consist of Goverments, Royalty, & Men and Woman who are powerful enough to topple entire stock markets or comletely detroy and negate the value of currency the world over.


That is who we should fear, if at all.

Not shitty music artists who release shit albums or are the head of rocawear.

Puff daddy who is THE richest man in hip-hop(richest genre in music) hasnt even hit a billion........A BILLION.

When their HAVE been men and their are men (also women) who have nearly destroyed the GBP once and there are men who if banded together to form said NWO, could easiy say...."lets take all of our money out of every single thing we have invested in or anything at all anywhere, and watch the worlds goverments, superpower countries and general world populace come crawling to us"


Thats scary, but now as scary as the shitfest of CashMoney/YoungMoney which is single handedly destroying hip-hop culture, not taking over the world. And lets be honest, they are not being manipulated by anyone because the only people who are being influenced are silly girl teenagers or dickhead boy teens.

But then again, it doesnt exist. Especially not in the music industry.


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Why is it so US centric?


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Why is it so US centric?


Because thats where the best weed is.


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The bad guys are the ones who[...]sabotage the scientific advancement of society


So like, capitalism?


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