^ Well I'll just assume there was miscommunication. I thought you brought up say psi disruptors having little to no effect on Cable to suggest that a cone of psilence wouldn't affect Nate.
Shrinking's just the way to gain access to the universe.
Proof that it actually takes place within the standard Marvel Multiverse? Because the fact that Watcher's don't watch there(and can't even get there safely for that matter) combined with the fact that the Unilord is the embodiement of the universe rather than Eternity certainly seems to indicate that it's not. Do I really need to track down the scans that say that Watchers observe all the alternate universes or that Eternity is the embodiement of Marvel to satisfy you, cause you could likely find out that kind of thing just by checking out a bio.
You keep on asking for alternate universe travel and I've given you a couple. There's the Microverse, the Negative Zone, alternate timeslines, and all you can really say is basically "well that's not EXACTLY what I'd like to see to support the ability". See you're trying to penalize Surfer because he doesn't run in the same circles as Nate and his writers don't say the exact same kinds of things X-Man's does but that just doesn't hold up. One of Surfer's powers is to return to any dimension he's ever been to and he's been shown to traverse alternate universes in multiple ways(pretty much just whatever way is necessary to reach the universe in question), unless you have some kind of specific proof that Nate can block that ability there's no reason to assume that he's going to lose his Galactus given abilities just because he ends up in whatever universe Nate decides to stick him in. He's been in his home dimension so he can return there from pretty much where ever, it's as simple as that.
But since you want to focus on plot specific abilities and feats, has Nate ever shown himself capable of escaping a floating cosmic limbo created from pure spatial energy?
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The examples you have given are not proper enough to counter my argument, since they are inherently different.
Microverse: Why bother to bring it up, he can shrink his way into the microverse, but the same can’t be applied to leave Brilliant City.
Negative Zone: I do not know enough to give a response.
Alternate Future Realties : Brilliant City isn’t accessible via time travel. Brilliant City is its own reality that doesn’t steam from reality 616. Its inaccessible via passing through the time stream.
We have one instance where he traveled to an Alternate Reality not tied in to reality 616, and he needed to travel through a cosmic anomaly in the Cosmic Swell. This places your claim in question of Surfers ability to travel Alternate Realties, not to be confused with Possible Futures. Its your efforts to make more convoluted by adding more to Oclins reality, giving the lure that his reality is special thus take place outside of the Marvel Omniverse.
It Outside the Omniverse…. - No its not, it takes place within it since we recognize alternate versions of central marvel characters.
No Watcher existed in this reality so it has to take place outside the Omniverse…no I mean the Multiverse. - Welcome to Marvel they do tend to forget a detail or two regularly. And no that’s a fairly weak argument for all we know, there was a Watcher only to be killed by Unilord or a Black Body.
Unilord was the embodiment of the universe, not Eternity. - Well maybe Unilord successes in assimilating everything in its path had something to do with it wouldn’t you agree? I mean he did succeed in absorbing Galactus. And we all know what is one of Galactus famously known central roles.
Then you wave his flag, that because he can return from previously visited dimensions . Therefore he can return from any designated reality. Key word dimension, since he makes this comment after having visited a specific realm within reality 616. That’s hardly a case to build an argument from since Mutiversal traveling is a different ballgame to dimensional hoping.
You mean Mass to Energy conversion? He just created a faux body, to host his mental force. As a mental force, he doesn’t have genes to manipulate per say.
^ Nate being staggered by creating his faux body does not inspire confidence.
I had assumed that Nate was starting out this fight without being limited to being a purely psionic construct. I perceive that as a significant handicap.
Oh I thought this was by current times, where his is using the stolen energy to create his faux body instead of pissing away gallons of energy reconstruct his dispersed being. Just to be clear, those scans was to show he can do energy to mass conversion, and vice versa.
Right so there are multiple examples of him traveling to at least 3 Alternate universes by whatever means necessary right? There's the answer to your question as to whether or not he's ever traveled to other universes.
Also, unless I'm mistaken ALL universes are connected to the 616 multiverse in some manner or another. I'm pretty sure Mr. Master's posted scans saying as much.
Again, do you have any actual proof that it exists within the 616 multiverse? Also again, do you think that Nate could BFR a Watcher? Cause the Watcher's couldn't reach the place without the Cosmic Swell either so if it's not damning proof for them, it's not damning proof for Norrin.
So you think that anytime anything resembling alternate versions of 616 characters appear in an alternate universe it means that it's part of Marvel's 616 multiverse? Do I really need to point out all the parallels between Marvel and DC, right up to Mantis appearing in DC in all but name?
There was only one Watcher there EVER, the one who actually appeared in the arc who had to travel there via the Cosmic Swell and got trashed for his efforts. If there had ever been another and that universe was connected to the 616 multiverse Uatu would have known about it and that other universe.
Maybe maybe maybe maybe, we can guess at how things could have went down to support what you're saying, or we can just accept the simplest and most obvious answer to support what I'm saying. Did you see any mention of Eternity EVER being the embodiement of that other universe or of the Unilord usurping the Role?
Also, I'm interested in these alternate versions of characters in the Unilord's universe. I'm not saying that they don't exist, just that I didn't notice any specifically(I've always found the arc a bit confusing).
Not from, TO. As in, if Nate transports him to another place, Galactus has given him the power to return to his home dimension or any other dimension that he's ever been to. And I'm not basing his abilities on that one thing, I'm basing it off a whole list of things that you choose to ignore that includes his traveling to alternate universes.
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